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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    he did change offensivly and defensivly when al was injured. and when al came back he still did have that edge.
    but after a few games of al sucking the ball on offense.
    sap disapeared again.

    big al is a nice guy of the court. i know.
    but on the court he is a cancer to this team
    So somehow it's Al's fault that Sap is sucking? Ok, homer, ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    but we had jazz basketball when we had no sloan no stockton.
    the year we went 41-41.
    i enjoyed that year tremendously.
    even if we go 45-37 this yeat i would still prefer the 41-41 year.
    when team first jazz hard nosed defensive basketball was played.
    That was the flex, moron. zman is absolutely correct. Jazz basketball for 20 years was the PnR with John and Karl. They were a disciplined team that was scrappy and fought for every rebound, loose ball and possession. They were blue collar and bruisers. That WAS Jazz basketball and I haven't see it since John/Karl left. Once they left, Sloan started initiating more flex, which was not exactly a typical brand of Jazz basketball. I've watched every game from the late eighties up until now. Vastly different brand of Jazz basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
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    but we had jazz basketball when we had no sloan no stockton.
    the year we went 41-41.
    i enjoyed that year tremendously.
    even if we go 45-37 this yeat i would still prefer the 41-41 year.
    when team first jazz hard nosed defensive basketball was played.
    I agree. Other than the surprise run to the conference finals with Deron, that was the most enjoyable season for me. It's just gotten progressively worse to the point I've really become disinterested. Until some changes are made, I doubt I'll watch very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoTown16 View Post
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    I agree. Other than the surprise run to the conference finals with Deron, that was the most enjoyable season for me. It's just gotten progressively worse to the point I've really become disinterested. Until some changes are made, I doubt I'll watch very much.
    Ditto. I also want to reiterate the part about being disinterested... It's a very dangerous place to be as a fan, but at least it is cost and time effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
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    Jazz basketball used to be:

    #1 Hard nosed, physical, and disciplined. We lived in the paint and FT line. We had a (predictable) but devastating offensive play/strategy. Stockton to Malone... Duron to Boozer/Memo. Currently, we avoid the FT line and paint at all costs and have no strategy or idea what the hell works. We rarely play physical, we're mentally weak, and typically come out lackadaisical. We're in... what? Year 3? And I still ahve no clue what the hell Ty Corbin is trying to do.

    #2 We used to play inside out. Not chuck from the outside in. In the old Jazz system the "Big 4" would be the primary scorers while Hayward, Burks, etc would be cutting and slashing to the rim rdy to receive passes from the post players. The PG's primary job was to get the ball to these primary scorers. Today, we have a SG who tries to play PG and 2 PG's who are literally 5 years past their expiration date.

    #3 We used to control the tempo, execute until we got the shot that we wanted (even if the shot clock was winding down), and made players in our system better. Duron Williams just reminded us this past week of this fact. Whether it was Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Carlos Boozer, or Duron Williams... Players typically increased while in our system and declined when outside. The exact opposite is occurring right now. We never control the tempo, never execute even good shots, and I honestly can't think of a player in our system who wouldn't benefit greatly by going elsewhere.

    #4 Lastly, leadership. Larry, Jerry, Stock/Malone, Duron, etc wanted to win. I'm not so sure Greggy, Ty, and our "star players" are very concerned over that right now. It seems like one is concerned about merely filling his bank account, Ty is busy cheerleading instead of leading, and our "star players" are too concerned with getting theirs so they can request pay increases this summer.
    ...can't think of a single thing to improve the "Thrillers" thorough synopsis of past Jazz teams and the current one! Which is why I'm seriously thinking of moving my loyalty's to the TWolves or Spurs who at least try to play the right way and have a "system" other than "put'em up....I got bounds!"

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    ...by the way, I guess we're all spoiled from the Stockton/Malone era, since we had 2 of the top 10 all time players at their positions AND top 5 players of all time with basketball BRAINS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
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    disagree. maybe KOC/Jazz mgmt thinks Ty is a championship level coach? don't confuse sincere misjudgment with deliberate sabotage. i do not appreciate you calling me a douche, friend.
    You are correct. i should not have called you a douche. My apologies.

    I did not imply that there was deliberate sabotage. I think they beleive he is "good enough". Good enough to be in that 7-9 spot and that is their true goal. Championships would be great but great coaches cost money and want to do things their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
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    ...iso-heavy offenses and have had great success with it. Gregg Pop and Avery Johnson, for example, are ones that come to mind. It's an ugly brand of bball imo
    Pop runs an iso heavy offense? if you avg the last five years the spurs rank 6th in the league in asts.

    SAS Total Asts Rank
    2012 - 1st
    2011 - 4th
    2010 - 8th
    2009 - 7th
    2008 - 12th

    and as far as avery johnson, over the past 3 years (the years where he didn't have a top 5 player in Dirk-in-his-prime) Avery johnson has gone on to win 60 games of 176 (only a 34% win percentage). is that great success?

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