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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
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    From tonight at least it seems pretty clear that the GSW model seemed to have worked pretty well:

    - gamble a year and tank (which only really works in a year with a loaded draft class)
    - give young players (Thompson, Jenkins) plenty of experience against good players (at the cost of W's)
    - get a decent player from draft (Barnes)

    This is in complete contrast to the Jazz's model which is:

    - tanking? What's that?
    - play vets big minutes to give us a chance to win the game
    - play young players limited minutes VS subs
    - compete for the playoffs no matter what (even in a loaded draft year, even at the expense of giving young guys experience)
    - main aim seems to be assembling a team which sells tickets no matter what

    The results?

    - Our young guys look lost against decent competition or when called upon to play big minutes
    - Our young guys don't seem to have any 'go to move' due to the limited minutes they received last year
    - We could have picked up a decent player in the draft
    - With that pick, we may be could have traded for Harden together with another player if we wanted to

    I don't know.. those are my thoughts.. what do you guys think?

    I don't really feel like arguing with anyone, just wanted a friendly discussion on this.
    Why do people act like Klay Thompson is some great young player? He shoots a ton, doesn't get to the foul line, and doesn't shoot a good FG%. He is good from deep, but that is really all he has on Hayward (and he isn't the TO machine that Hayward can be).
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    Besides Steph Curry, none of their young players they drafted are really contributing that much.

    Honestly, I'm still dumb-founded they are doing this good. I honestly think it will eventually come to a screeching halt and they will drop out of the playoffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
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    Why do people act like Klay Thompson is some great young player? He shoots a ton, doesn't get to the foul line, and doesn't shoot a good FG%. He is good from deep, but that is really all he has on Hayward (and he isn't the TO machine that Hayward can be).
    Burks is better or can be better all around. So if Burks played instead of Bell and Foye all this time, we could have more chances the last game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
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    Besides Steph Curry, none of their young players they drafted are really contributing that much.

    Honestly, I'm still dumb-founded they are doing this good. I honestly think it will eventually come to a screeching halt and they will drop out of the playoffs.
    Harrison Barnes has been pretty damn good. Klay Thompson is better than Hayward. And they've been winning all of these games without one of the best centers in the NBA (at least defensively, but you could argue one of the best in the league since the position sucks currently).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
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    Why do people act like Klay Thompson is some great young player? He shoots a ton, doesn't get to the foul line, and doesn't shoot a good FG%. He is good from deep, but that is really all he has on Hayward (and he isn't the TO machine that Hayward can be).
    I'm not saying he's the best or even the greatest young player. All I'm saying is what GSW is doing is giving him the best possible chance to reach his potential.

    Can't say the same thing about what the Jazz is doing with Burks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
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    I'm not saying he's the best or even the greatest young player. All I'm saying is what GSW is doing is giving him the best possible chance to reach his potential.

    Can't say the same thing about what the Jazz is doing with Burks.
    Or they are teaching him to be a chucker and are stunting his potential.
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    Then put it this way:

    GS partially caters its offense around getting Thompson reps from spots at which he can succeed. They started doing so early in his career, and their efforts continue.

    Hey, Hayward... you want the ball and a pick? Sure, we will give you a couple per game, but only after you show the ability to hit this curl thing and hit 3 pointers from any damn place after our Jefferball breaks down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
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    Harrison Barnes has been pretty damn good. Klay Thompson is better than Hayward. And they've been winning all of these games without one of the best centers in the NBA (at least defensively, but you could argue one of the best in the league since the position sucks currently).
    Barnes shoots 41% as a SF who is billed as an offensive player. He has shot 28% over the last 5 games. His PER is a whopping 10.3 for the season. I expect him to eventually get better, but he has been far from "pretty damn good" thus far.

    Not convinced Thompson is better than Hayward, just more aggressive in shooting. He gets the to the FT line half as much and he plays about 10 more mpg.

    Andrew Bogut will never be healthy, so he will never be a top center again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
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    Then put it this way:

    GS partially caters its offense around getting Thompson reps from spots at which he can succeed. They started doing so early in his career, and their efforts continue.

    Hey, Hayward... you want the ball and a pick? Sure, we will give you a couple per game, but only after you show the ability to hit this curl thing and hit 3 pointers from any damn place after our Jefferball breaks down.

    Questions?
    A lot of it has to do with Hayward being gun-shy and Thompson being the opposite. Hayward doesn't want to shoot 7 three pointers a game, Thompson does.

    And if their offense is so "catered to getting Thompson reps from spots at which he can succeed" then why is a 40% FG shooter?
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