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    You can say that again.

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    AKMVP, your comments are full of stupidity, idiocity creamed with ignorance. How can you tell that Enes Kanter, a 20 year old man would stop growing while another 20 years old man (JV) would continue to grow? In one of your comments in this thread, you accused another user of not knowing/understanding science and technology. I suggest that you first go get some understanding of science and biology and then start making claims, which would be hopefully more rational. And the pictures that you attached does not help proving anything at all because I have seen people in their mid 20s yet looking like 17 years old.


    Yes since you brought up the subject I also checked out the original link sent by the user named Cakar. And if you check both Kanter's and VC's profiles you will realize

    Enes Kanter: 2.08m
    VC : 2.13m

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    https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8...rID_62134.html

    https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8...rID_61806.html



    Please try to post meaningful comments, you are contradicting yourself in most cases and I'd prefer not to respond your other meaningless comments. Nevertheless, I find your comments very entertaining. I guess the other users of this forum are having a lot of fun too...
    Hey, I am the wrong person to ask this question why data is screwed up in FIBA page - look at Eurobasket 2011 page - same high for both of them as in 2009. But I have been following Valanciunas career long before he was drafted and trust me, he was not listed as 2.13 at that time anywhere.
    In Europe most of basketball websites and organizations give players high without shoes, thus Kanter is listed at 2.08 which is his right height without shoes. Not sure why JV is 2.13 there as it looks to me that they put his data with shoes or as they do it in NBA.
    At any point you must agree with me that people mature differently. Some will have facial hair growing at 14 years and some at 18. Just looking at body types from 3 years ago you can tell that Enes Kanter matured very early while JV much later - which is common trend among south and north european boys ( don't throw at me racist card as it was done before - it is what it is no matter how you argue that ) . Look at Kosta Koufos - he was so dominant at his age due to extremely early maturity that he posted most dominant numbers in U-18 history but that did not translate into men's leagues. That's why I was so skeptical about Kanter prior draft - he was just so much stronger then anybody at U-18 level that it was not really a good indication about how he will perform vs men.
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    Looking at Jeremy Evans, he has much maturing yet to do, obviously. Does he yet have facial hairs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKMVP View Post
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    In Europe most of basketball websites and organizations give players high without shoes, thus Kanter is listed at 2.08 which is his right height without shoes. Not sure why JV is 2.13 there as it looks to me that they put his data with shoes or as they do it in NBA.
    I won't buy this because Europian basketball organizations are professional enough to set a standard to include the physical data of players, especially at the Europian level (I can't comment on national leagues though). Although I agree that Euroleague is not as big an organization as NBA, I don't think they would make this kind of a mistake. Perhaps the data is coming from Russia and they felt the necessity of playing with JV's profile, which is also a speculation (from me).

    You claim that Enes has already matured and JV didn't yet. And you claimed that when this happens JV would be a better player than Enes, which is a very meaningless claim based on your dreams. Cnn's data already show that JV is bigger than Enes. Then again you claim that Enes is (or was) looking bigger and more grown up? Let me tell what my impression is on JV based on his data. He looks like quiete a grown big man, yet he plays soft and gargabe in Raptors as of now.

    I don't want to deal with your other comments because they are not worthy of taking seriously.

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    IF you are a jazzfan why you are trying desperately, to prove that your JV guy is a better player than OUR Kanter ? Even after Kanter dominated him game after game when they played against each other ? Kanter is a freak of nature with his strenght in this age, his bones are burly as hell and JV will not even get close into the strenght level in which Enes Kanter will get. Youre complaining against us, that we are just speculate about something, but all of your statements are just baised on speculation, becausse Kanter kicked Jonas ass every game they played against each other.
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    Al is soft ? he is just a nice guy. Sometimes he avoids contact, just to protect other players from his strength. He is a player, who cares for other players. Trust me dude, they say BIG-AL breaks the neck of a bull, just with his pure hands.
    Why they call him BIG-AL, think of it

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    According to AKMVP raw and unrefined means that they have more potential which means they are better! Lets assume that Jonas is indeed an inch taller (which I doubt but whatever) that is where you are going all your data that he has more potential. **** look at Jabbar or Olajuwon they were skinny and didn't do bad. You cannot use the excuse Jonas is skinny for much longer.

    AKMVP was using the fact that Jonas has a really high FT percent for so long before the draft. Now that Kanter has a higher % he is backed into a corner and has yet to put up a defensible argument.

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    AKMVP

    IF you are a jazzfan why you are trying desperately, to prove that your JV guy is a better player than OUR Kanter ? Even after Kanter dominated him game after game when they played against each other ? Kanter is a freak of nature with his strenght in this age, his bones are burly as hell and JV will not even get close into the strenght level in which Enes Kanter will get. Youre complaining against us, that we are just speculate about something, but all of your statements are just baised on speculation, becausse Kanter kicked Jonas ass every game they played against each other.
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    I know on this board, it was a big question who of them the Jazz should have picked in the 2011 draft. Just right now, who is the better player ? And was Enes the right choice over Jonas ? Or do you like Jonas more ?
    You asked to discuss and now you do not like different opinion then yours? Why even bother making a thread like that then?
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    AKMVP was using the fact that Jonas has a really high FT percent for so long before the draft. Now that Kanter has a higher % he is backed into a corner and has yet to put up a defensible argument.
    It is going to change, difference is only 0.5% now. Jonas was always 80% FT shooter, few bad shooting games he had means nothing in big picture. I can bet that at the end of the season JV will have better FT% then Kanter.
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