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    Jefferson named among ESPN's Top 5 Overrated Rebounders

    Just a snippet of Neil Paine's insider article. (That's the rule, right? Snippets of insider articles are okay, just as long as we don't post the whole thing?)

    Al Jefferson, Utah Jazz
    Jefferson has long been a practitioner of the art of empty rebounding numbers. Superficially, his 9.0 rpg average and 17.2 career rebound rate (30th-best in NBA history) might tempt you into thinking he's a premier glass-cleaner, but those numbers belie the underwhelming impact he's traditionally had on his teams' rebounding performances. Last year, researcher Evan Zamir looked at how players impact their teams' rebound rates (over the previous three seasons), accounting for quality of teammates and opponents. The stats show that for all of Jefferson's individual rebounding stats, he's made his teams softer on the glass on both ends of the floor. That trend has continued in 2012-13; Jefferson still has a major difference between his rebounding rate and that of his teammates, the Jazz aren't rebounding anywhere near as well as you'd predict given their component players, and Utah rebounds much, much worse with Jefferson in the game.

    Rebounding is undoubtedly a valuable skill for a player to have, but only if it improves his team's bottom line. All too often, players who put up monster individual rebounding numbers aren't actually increasing their teams' rebound rates.
    I don't know how Jefferson does it, but he just makes everything worse.

    Other names mentioned in the article include Asik, Hickson, Cousins, and Howard.

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    Ahh..... more ammo to beat up our dead horse.
    Good find.

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    nvm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xsy View Post
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    Just a snippet of Neil Paine's insider article. (That's the rule, right? Snippets of insider articles are okay, just as long as we don't post the whole thing?)



    I don't know how Jefferson does it, but he just makes everything worse.

    Other names mentioned in the article include Asik, Hickson, Cousins, and Howard.

    https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...ty-numbers-nba
    I'm starting to feel bad for this guy.

    I'm also starting to feel sick at the thought he might possibly be with this team after this season.

    Does anyone have a remedy for this?
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    Wow, it looks the Jazz PR department picked up on this-


    SALT LAKE CITY (January 8, 2013) ESPN, the sports leader,today honored Utah Jazz forward Ricardo (Al) Jefferson by naming him to the top 5 of an elite group of rebounders. ESPN writer Neil Paine describes Jefferson as an elite glass cleaner and points out Jefferson's 17.2 career rebound rate is 30th-best in NBA history.

    Now in his 9th NBA season and 3rd season with the Jazz, Jefferson (6-10, 289, Prentiss H.S., Prentiss, Miss.) has appeared in 35 games (all starts) this season and is averaging 16.7 points, 9.8 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 32.6 minutes per game. Jefferson has lead the Utah Jazz in rebounding in each of his three seasons since joining the team.
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    ...like Boozer, Big Al grabs half his rebounds off missed free throws!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinajazz View Post
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    ...like Boozer, Big Al grabs half his rebounds off missed free throws!
    i dont think you have any stats to back this up bro. why do u choose to live this life of lies bro?

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    black hole.. nothing new

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    I guess Daryl Morey doesn't understand anything about numbers since he signed Asik......Besides Rebounding Rate is a crappy stat either way. The mention that someone did the math means ZERO to me unless I can actually see how the adjustment was done.

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