View Poll Results: Keep Big Al or not?

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    btw where is the jefferson is fools gold option

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    If we keep big AL, than Millsap must go. Kanter must get 30+ minutes for us to go deep in the playoffs. Remember playoffs is all about defense.

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    If you can get Al for 8 million and not more, and he is willing to come off the bench, then keep him. He is the perfect "instant offense" bench player. You want 1-2 players on the bench that can create for themselves and the rest defensive players to hold leads. Al and Burks are those players. You put three defensive players around them and they are the best bench in the league. Three good defenders, and then on offense throw it in to Al, he holds it for 15 secs, if he can't get a shot off, out to Burks so he can get to the FT line.

    If Al wants more, or wants to start, see ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green View Post
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    If you can get Al for 8 million and not more, and he is willing to come off the bench, then keep him. He is the perfect "instant offense" bench player. You want 1-2 players on the bench that can create for themselves and the rest defensive players to hold leads. Al and Burks are those players. You put three defensive players around them and they are the best bench in the league. Three good defenders, and then on offense throw it in to Al, he holds it for 15 secs, if he can't get a shot off, out to Burks so he can get to the FT line.

    If Al wants more, or wants to start, see ya.
    I agree 100%. I'd love to see him come off of the bench and work with the second unit, especially if the second unit has some good defenders to help him. Kanter and favors need to start. If Jefferson can accept this role then cool, if not lets trade him

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    Al Jefferson's role is pretty black and white. His strength is being 'the guy'. Either he's you're main offensive guy and you pound the ball through him or he's not. He's not an accessory piece. He's not someone who pops off the bench for instant offense. This is why some of the ill-conceived Team USAs and other 'super teams' where it's assumed that you can make an amalgamation of talented players and simply plug them into new roles and be successful. That's what we're assuming we'll do with Al. We won't get get the same type/rate of production. The option is quite simply between A. keep Al and have him be the focal-point of our offense or B. let him go. It's that easy. There really isn't any real-world middle ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infection View Post
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    Al Jefferson's role is pretty black and white. His strength is being 'the guy'. Either he's you're main offensive guy and you pound the ball through him or he's not. He's not an accessory piece. He's not someone who pops off the bench for instant offense. This is why some of the ill-conceived Team USAs and other 'super teams' where it's assumed that you can make an amalgamation of talented players and simply plug them into new roles and be successful. That's what we're assuming we'll do with Al. We won't get get the same type/rate of production. The option is quite simply between A. keep Al and have him be the focal-point of our offense or B. let him go. It's that easy. There really isn't any real-world middle ground.
    The evidence points to the contrary, Al has been generally better playing @ 30 minutes than over 35, is on record being more for the team winning than his own court time, and also has said that Enes will be a star & hopes to still be on the team when he is.

    Al will dominate the offense more or less when he's on the court, but that doesn't mean he has to have the ball run through him all the time or that he has to play star or even starter minutes. IMO this guy could be devastating off the bench if he's willing to do it. Way better than Bench Sap.
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    I've long said that Al off the bench + heavily policed on his defensive effort would be fine with me.

    It's the $$$ that has always turned me off. I'm pretty sure at least 2 or 3 teams will be willing to pay more than I would. My cap is a front-loaded 3 year deal averaging $10 mil/year. I'd also tell him at the signing that I was envisioning him far more in a complementary role.

    In other words, I don't see myself being happy with any likely outcome. Shipping him out is preferable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
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    The evidence points to the contrary, Al has been generally better playing @ 30 minutes than over 35, is on record being more for the team winning than his own court time, and also has said that Enes will be a star & hopes to still be on the team when he is.

    Al will dominate the offense more or less when he's on the court, but that doesn't mean he has to have the ball run through him all the time or that he has to play star or even starter minutes. IMO this guy could be devastating off the bench if he's willing to do it. Way better than Bench Sap.
    I'm not talking about minutes played -- I'm talking about role played. Whether Al is playing 30 minutes or 35 minutes (he's averaging 33, FWIW) for us is irrelevant as he's our starter and centerpiece of our offense. Whether or not he likes Enes and wants him to succeed or not is completely independent of the discussion of whether or not Al would be good in that role, and not simply whether or not he'd accept it. This is all irrelevant as well because Corbin will not bring him off the bench. We have this idea of resigning him based on hypotheticals that have never been implemented nor is there evidence that they would be. Jefferson would start his entire contract. Millsap has never been a focal-point, which makes it much more appropriate to compare how he would do off the bench in comparison to as a starter. We've also seen him off the bench behind Boozer (for much longer than we should have because, like Al, we should have known sooner that it was time to move forward). But, alas, I'm not a Al vs. Millsap guy, I'm just a Favors and Kanter need to tart and get minutes in any way possible guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green View Post
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    If you can get Al for 8 million and not more, and he is willing to come off the bench, then keep him. He is the perfect "instant offense" bench player. You want 1-2 players on the bench that can create for themselves and the rest defensive players to hold leads. Al and Burks are those players. You put three defensive players around them and they are the best bench in the league. Three good defenders, and then on offense throw it in to Al, he holds it for 15 secs, if he can't get a shot off, out to Burks so he can get to the FT line.

    If Al wants more, or wants to start, see ya.
    Big Al is not going to be coming off the bench for the Jazz for at least another 3 seasons. I do not trust Corbin enough to bring him off the bench even if Kanter and Favors prove to be better players at the time. If you don't believe me just look at Hayward vs Foye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
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    I've long said that Al off the bench + heavily policed on his defensive effort would be fine with me.

    It's the $$$ that has always turned me off. I'm pretty sure at least 2 or 3 teams will be willing to pay more than I would. My cap is a front-loaded 3 year deal averaging $10 mil/year. I'd also tell him at the signing that I was envisioning him far more in a complementary role.

    In other words, I don't see myself being happy with any likely outcome. Shipping him out is preferable.
    I wish I read this first before I posted because that almost perfectly says what I wanted to say.
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