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    Dear God... another day without a game... I thought for sure the game against the Wiz was tonight. WTTFFF. 1 game in over a week? sdas'ldmweasdasdasd

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowhide View Post
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    I also think the SF/SG is not set. Have the Jazz improved? Certainly but the Jazz need another go to guy in the back court. A player who can make shots when the offense breaks down. This might be Burks in the future but right now they have an inconsistent Hayward and/or Foye.
    One of my greatest frustrations this year is how Corbin is playing Hayward. He deserves much more than the 20-25 minutes Corbin is giving him each game. His limited playing time contributes to his perceived inconsistency. Many quality players start games out cold, but they are given enough playing time to play their way out and get into a rhythm. If Hayward is off to a slow start in any game, he isn't given the time to play his way out, rather in some cases, Corbin cuts his playing time that game.

    I know that people here like to compare Hayward to Paul George, but if you look at George's box score, he is up and down on a regular basis, but he is playing well over 30 minutes a game consistently, so he is given the chance to play his way out of poor starts. Were he given the same time Hayward is, I think we would see very similar inconsistencies, while if Hayward were given George's playing time, I think we'd see a 16-17 point scoring average and a bit more consistency in terms of his scoring and other stats. (For the record, I think George is a great player--probably better than Hayward, I'm sorry to say.)

    Although I was happy to see Foye have a great game against Cleveland, I think Hayward is by far the superior player, and I am growing frustrated to the point of losing interest altogether seeing how Corbin continues to limit Hayward's playing time for journeyman vets like Foye and Bell and Howard last year. For the love of God, I cannot figure out what Corbin's thinking and what the Jazz FO's plan is. Outside of Corbin, is there anyone anywhere else in the league who thinks that Foye is equal to Hayward or at least deserving of equal playing time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers View Post
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    Dear God... another day without a game... I thought for sure the game against the Wiz was tonight. WTTFFF. 1 game in over a week? sdas'ldmweasdasdasd
    I feel ya dog, its driving me crazy too

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    ESPN did its Top 25 under 25 today.... not a single Jazz player.

    Larry Sanders and Ed Davis made it though.

    Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers View Post
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    ESPN did its Top 25 under 25 today.... not a single Jazz player.

    Larry Sanders and Ed Davis made it though.

    Lol.


    Well that's just depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
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    Any comments from the OP, Mr. Catchsome?
    Well George, I'm thinking the team needs a real two-way PG and another player on the wing who can create his own shot. Hayward's inconsistency makes him suspect, and players like Foye, Marvin Williams, Carroll are basically just spot-up shooters. A PG who can set up other players and take all the way to the rim when he wants to would make a world of difference for this team. Hayward's game is diverse enough for him to be an effective facilitator, and Burks has potential to be a very good all-around player. Meanwhile, I've never really believed in Millsap as a starting-caliber PF night in and night out, which is why I'd be open to trading him.

    Take care, George.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
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    I think it makes a lot more sense to look at the Jazz's collection of perimeter players (including point guards). While the Jazz have some decent depth, they lack the top end talent that pretty much all other good teams have on the perimeter.

    In the west:

    OKC: Wetbrook,Durant
    Clips: Chris Paul
    Spurs: Tony, Manu
    Memphis: Gay, Conley
    W's: Curry
    Denver: Lawson, Iggy
    Houston: Harden

    The best the Jazz have on the perimeter is Gordo. An upgrade is needed.
    Can you take it a step further by pointing out any possible players we should perhaps try to acquire via trade or did you just want to point out the obvious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by just because View Post
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    Well that's just depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
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    I think it makes a lot more sense to look at the Jazz's collection of perimeter players (including point guards). While the Jazz have some decent depth, they lack the top end talent that pretty much all other good teams have on the perimeter.

    In the west:

    OKC: Wetbrook,Durant
    Clips: Chris Paul
    Spurs: Tony, Manu
    Memphis: Gay, Conley
    W's: Curry
    Denver: Lawson, Iggy
    Houston: Harden

    The best the Jazz have on the perimeter is Gordo. An upgrade is needed.
    I will ignore Point Guards for a second.

    Once we do so, we are left with Harden (potentially an exception-- as he plays very much like a combo guard), Iguodala,Durant, Gay, and Manu.



    Durant is simply a top 3 player, and we likely will never have a play of his caliber on this team.

    That leaves us with Gay, Iggy, and Manu.

    First, lets compare the play of Gordon Hayward, with Manu Ginobili. Id say shooting is a wash, with both players excelling eachother in certain ways statistically.

    I would say that they main edge that Manu at this point in his career has OVER Hayward is his assists, or facilitating in general.
    However: this is a point where I, along with many other posters here, see as a place where Gordon can, and will improve.

    So we essentially have a 2012 Manu upcoming with Hayward.


    That leaves us with Gay and Iggy.
    Personally, I would rather take Carroll and Foye over a player like Iggy, both in terms of team buildup-chemsitry, offensive-versatility, and cap-relief. But that's just my opinion.

    That leaves us with Gay. Personally, I wouldn't ever really want him on this Jazz team.


    So in terms of WINGS, that leaves only Harden and Durant as players who are clearly better than our Jazz players. If this is really all we are up against, then Im fine. Not to mention our DEPTH with our wing rotation. OKC is obviously first, and Houston is decent as well (only offensively-- certainly not defensively). Who else has a deeper wing rotation? Two wing players shooting above 40% from 3, Gordon beasting from the bench, and Burks still waiting to explode. Not to mention Carroll's hustle.



    The point guard position is an anomaly. We need a good facilitator-- otherwise, we will have to continue to revolve our Jazz offense around Al Jefferson. Right now, we don't have a player that is anywhere near Parker, Harden, or Paul in terms of facilitation, or getting into our sets.

    But hey, that seems to be that last piece of the puzzle here (a rather large piece, of course). Once we find it, I could see us resembling a team similar to the Pacers in terms of solidarity with positions 1-5, as well as being competitive with nearly every team in the league, culminating with a top 4 conference seed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
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    I will ignore Point Guards for a second.

    Once we do so, we are left with Harden (potentially an exception-- as he plays very much like a combo guard), Iguodala,Durant, Gay, and Manu.



    Durant is simply a top 3 player, and we likely will never have a play of his caliber on this team.

    That leaves us with Gay, Iggy, and Manu.

    First, lets compare the play of Gordon Hayward, with Manu Ginobili. Id say shooting is a wash, with both players excelling eachother in certain ways statistically.

    I would say that they main edge that Manu at this point in his career has OVER Hayward is his assists, or facilitating in general.
    However: this is a point where I, along with many other posters here, see as a place where Gordon can, and will improve.

    So we essentially have a 2012 Manu upcoming with Hayward.


    That leaves us with Gay and Iggy.
    Personally, I would rather take Carroll and Foye over a player like Iggy, both in terms of team buildup-chemsitry, offensive-versatility, and cap-relief. But that's just my opinion.

    That leaves us with Gay. Personally, I wouldn't ever really want him on this Jazz team.


    So in terms of WINGS, that leaves only Harden and Durant as players who are clearly better than our Jazz players. If this is really all we are up against, then Im fine. Not to mention our DEPTH with our wing rotation. OKC is obviously first, and Houston is decent as well (only offensively-- certainly not defensively). Who else has a deeper wing rotation? Two wing players shooting above 40% from 3, Gordon beasting from the bench, and Burks still waiting to explode. Not to mention Carroll's hustle.



    The point guard position is an anomaly. We need a good facilitator-- otherwise, we will have to continue to revolve our Jazz offense around Al Jefferson. Right now, we don't have a player that is anywhere near Parker, Harden, or Paul in terms of facilitation, or getting into our sets.

    But hey, that seems to be that last piece of the puzzle here (a rather large piece, of course). Once we find it, I could see us resembling a team similar to the Pacers in terms of solidarity with positions 1-5, as well as being competitive with nearly every team in the league, culminating with a top 4 conference seed.


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