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    Quote Originally Posted by SiroMar View Post
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    The problem with that, and the main reason I've lost interest in the current team, is that Corbin makes any potential acquisition pointless. He has no clue how to take advantages of a players strengths, or the opponents weaknesses. He has no idea how to run an effecient adaptable offense. He does not know how to react to on the fly to in game situations. He just knows how to follow as a career-long seventh assistant coach, or whatever job he held before his Forrest Gump moment.

    Do you remember how Favors was forced into AJ-style basketball and we got to watch hilariously awkward post moves for a season and a half? What ever happened with that? Is the team running PnR with Favors now? or is still the same comedy routine? How about Burks? Can he drive and create his own offense, or is he still forced to "play within the offense" at all costs? Do we still feed the ball to AJ every time down the court then take a nap?

    Regardless of who the Jazz get, Corbin can't get it done. He probably couldn't make it to the second round with the Miami Heat. So why would it matter if Marvin goes or stays? Might as well misuse the players you have, than take the time to learn how to best misuse any acquired assets.
    I'm convinced that this is a developmental season where Burks/Favors/Kanter/Hayward all play outside their comfort zone and try to add more skill set against the bench. It's a good thing because it'll allow Favors and Kanter to be more than one-dimensional. Same with Burks though he's got it harder because he has to play a position where he isn't supposed to be on all the time and a position where he is supposed to be on all the time.
    That's why we haven't seen a lot of Kanter pick and pop, not much Favors PnR, or Burks driving in. Hayward's a couple years ahead in terms of being multi-dimensional so he can focus on just dominating the court.

    Anyways, that's just a theory. It could be that the coaching and managing of the Jazz sucks really bad and then we're all screwed and life sucks and Corbins a hack and the city will move and Windows 8 sucks.

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    Do we got swindled for Devin Harris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoTown16 View Post
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    I've said quite a few times that Marvin could be a valuable contributor...if used correctly. Trade Al and give Marvin 10 shots per game and you won't see a noticeable dropoff in the offense. Jazz offense would destroy the careers of Durant and LeBron if we had those players. May as well let KOC and Lindsey go. Doesn't matter who the Jazz bring in; the ball still goes in to Al for 10-15 seconds each possession and if he can't get a shot, then it's like a game of hot potato with a desperate heave at the bucket as time runs out.
    i said it a lot of times.

    people hating on him

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    Quote Originally Posted by homeytennis View Post
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    Do we got swindled for Devin Harris.
    A wash at worst.
    Player G MPG FG% FG3% FT% AVG RAVG AAVG SAVG BAVG TO
    Harris 32 23.7 43.9 33.0 67.6 8.4 1.9 2.6 1.1 0.3 46
    Marvin W. 45 26.0 43.0 34.7 78.4 8.3 3.6 1.0 0.6 0.6 47

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    Why the hate on Marvin?

    It is CORBIN. It is AL.

    And some of it is Marvin just being human, wanting to live off his 8 million dollars he makes every year so he can tat his body up, do whatever in his downtime and still be guaranteed 30 minutes a night regardless of his performance.
    ALL IN FOR SEMI OJELEYE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weezur View Post
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    I'm convinced that this is a developmental season where Burks/Favors/Kanter/Hayward all play outside their comfort zone and try to add more skill set against the bench. It's a good thing because it'll allow Favors and Kanter to be more than one-dimensional. Same with Burks though he's got it harder because he has to play a position where he isn't supposed to be on all the time and a position where he is supposed to be on all the time.
    That's why we haven't seen a lot of Kanter pick and pop, not much Favors PnR, or Burks driving in. Hayward's a couple years ahead in terms of being multi-dimensional so he can focus on just dominating the court.

    Anyways, that's just a theory. It could be that the coaching and managing of the Jazz sucks really bad and then we're all screwed and life sucks and Corbins a hack and the city will move and Windows 8 sucks.
    Typically, players use the first few seasons to hone their skills and perfect what they already know so that their advantages in college continue to be so in the NBA. Millsap was not forced to develop his jumper in his rookie or sophomore year, since that would have been an idiotic move on a cosmic scale. His PF skills needed a lot of work before any attempt to expand his game. Similarly, Favors strengths are all wasted. It's not like he has a great offensive game outside of the post. All that "playing outside of his comfort zone" will accomplish, is to add another set of poorly developed skills that are simply not helpful at this level of basketball.

    Also, I find it strange that those strategies all involve close minded systematic approach to basketball. It's not like Favors is encouraged to pass in a PnR situation, thus adding dimensionality to one of his strengths. Hell, AJ was lauded for learning to pass every now and then when he gets the ball in the post. To Corbin, not shooting the ball every single time you touch it is an achievement worth publicizing.

    Ironically, I would be more accepting of the approach if it was taken with the mentality you seem to espouse. I would not agree with it. But I would accept that my basketball knowledge pales in comparison to people who have been around the NBA for decades. But that's not it. Corbin is simply not an NBA level headcoach. He's the perfect yesman in an organization that no longer cares about high level competition, and is contented offering a passable product that brings in moderate profits with little risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fresh Prince View Post
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    And some of it is Marvin just being human, wanting to live off his 8 million dollars he makes every year so he can tat his body up,
    Is "Fresh Prince," carolinajazz' alt account?

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    Marvin is the 5th (Or 4th with Tinsley there but he dominates the ball) option in the starting lineup. This is one of the reasons moving Hayward to the bench was beneficial for him.

    Comparing Marvin to DMC isn't fair as DMC gets his burn with Favors/Kanter/Watson/Burks/Hayward vs. Marvin with Al/Millsap/Foye (3 players who probably 'haven't checked my stats' shoot the most on our team).

    I agree, we are using him incorrectly and this article is pretty much on. Free him up with some shots and get him involved in the offense (If we have one that is) and I think he is a MUCH better player from what he has shown us.

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    I thought when the Jazz got him he was supposed to flourish because he is a spot up shooter. Now he sucks because he can't slash and create his own shot enough?

    Just face it the guy is about the 8th - 10th best player a given team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HipHopAnonymous View Post
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    I thought when the Jazz got him he was supposed to flourish because he is a spot up shooter. Now he sucks because he can't slash and create his own shot enough?

    Just face it the guy is about the 8th - 10th best player a given team.
    How dare you! Never disgrace!

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