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    The era in the NBA of throwing out max contracts is coming to an end quickly. We will start to see less and less of it.

    As good as I think Favors can be he is still not as good as Ibaka who only got 12 million in a year. I think that is where Favors will be.
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    Favors would likely get a max deal if it weren't for the new cba. I don't know if he will with the new one. I think salaries in general will go down, but don't know how much and if it will effect the higher tier ad much as middle to lower tiered salaries.

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    I'd say that's about right. Matches with the players I've listed, all of whom showed more than Favors through 3 seasons.

    Hack, you certainly are skilled at writing a lot of words and saying absolutely nothing. Bravo. Instead of ranting angrily, you could maybe try to support your wild assertions. Favors being a better free throw shooter than two players who are widely believed to be overpaid doesn't make him a max player. Again, can you provide a single example of a comparable player who either made the jump from an inefficient 9 points in 20+ minutes to an efficient 18 points per game or got the max? Throwing a fit, screaming "I'M SMART! YOU'RE STUPID!" isn't all that convincing.

    And no, I don't think the Jazz would trade Favors for Jordan or McGee. That doesn't make Favors a max player.
    I do believe you called me delusional and illiterate before I called out your intelligence. So actually you threw the fit and screamed "I'm smart your stupid". I know you can't remember that though because you smoke too much weed, and we know facts dont matter to you. This is your world buddy. We are all just living in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
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    The era in the NBA of throwing out max contracts is coming to an end quickly. We will start to see less and less of it.

    As good as I think Favors can be he is still not as good as Ibaka who only got 12 million in a year. I think that is where Favors will be.

    That's wrong I believe. Contracts will be coming down, but only for the bottom half of the league. The top half will still be wildly over paid. It will be a seperation of the must haves and must have nots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
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    I do believe you called me delusional and illiterate before I called out your intelligence. So actually you threw the fit and screamed "I'm smart your stupid". I know you can't remember that though because you smoke too much weed, and we know facts dont matter to you. This is your world buddy. We are all just living in it.
    Any of those examples I asked for? Any facts to back up any of your opinions? Or are you just going to call me high a few more times (that's where the invective started in this thread BTW) and offer absolutely nothing to support your assertions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
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    Any of those examples I asked for? Any facts to back up any of your opinions? Or are you just going to call me high a few more times (that's where the invective started in this thread BTW) and offer absolutely nothing to support your assertions?
    I told you. Every case is different. What, do you want me to find a time where a very talented 3rd overall pick was buried on the bench behind some overratted and overused vets on a team that won't reward hard work or good play and refuse to get on with rebuild, then maxed out the guy on the bench? Seriously?

    No, I can't find this exact scenario that is going on here in Utah. Does that make you right? No it doesn't. Any player I give you, you will just find some reason why it isn't the same. When I already told you it isn't the same.


    You want some examples.

    Here.

    Bynum got a pretty hefty contract off some weak numbers. So did Chandler.

    Bynum's numbers jumped when he got more minutes. But who's doesn't. You aren't seriously trying to tell me that Favors numbers would stay the same even if he got 36 a game are you? Its all about the minutes. A lot of guys can put up big numbers if they get the minutes and are more of a focal point of the offense. Jefferson's numbers went from 8/5 to 16/11 when his minutes jumped from 18-33. I could find all sorts of examples of that. You want a whole bunch more of those? And I already gave you Harden who wasn't putting up max warranted numbers coming off the bench, but did when he went to Houston, and he got maxed out before they knew what he would put up. Its amazing what minutes will do for you.

    I guarantee Favors would put up some nice numbers with 36 per game and Al gone.

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