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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulu View Post
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    Don't hate...participate young man!!
    We should come up with some good anime for him to watch as well. PKM, what kind of stuff do you like besides treasure hunting? and basketball?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulu View Post
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    Ya Kanter is going to be a beast he will average 16 & 16!!!
    Good thing I have him on my BFF team!
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    It's okay you cartoon craving corpse of posters, I'll just bump a couple posts past the commercials.

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    Kanter's defense has been the biggest surprise for me.
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    Way back then, most everyone on this board was calling defense 'blocks.' I remember going round and round with too many people that blocks and steals are two of the most overrated statistics in basketball and far from an end-all indicator of elite defense. My saying his defense was suspect was in direct response to so many wanting shot-blockers. OhGee - You remember coming into the 2012 thread and asking if I was surprised to see a particular great block by Kanter in one game last year. I said I was ..

    I never really doubted Kanter's overall defense, because I had seen his strength, motor, and willingness to use both .. but I also knew he wasn't going to be a 'defender' in the ilk most here thought they wanted/needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
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    It's okay you cartoon craving corpse of posters, I'll just bump a couple posts past the commercials.
    Fine, I'll try and keep it on subject from now on. Zulu, we need to take our discussion somewhere else.
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    Kanter's offensive game has been coming along nicely. Looking at the mysynergysports.com stats, there are a couple problems that stand out. Fortunately, both seem fixable.

    1. Kanter turns the ball over at an alarming rate. Median team turnover rate is 13.4%. Kanter's stands at 21.6% (Favors: 13.2%; Millsap: 10.4%; Jefferson: 6.9%). Kanter is tops among the 4 bigs in postup points per possession at 0.84 (Millsap: 0.84; Favors: 0.83; Jefferson: 0.82; league average as of December 14th: 0.83), despite turning the ball over on 32.8% of his postups (shots, shooting fouls or turnovers).

    2. Kanter converts offensive rebounds at a very poor rate. 21.2% of Kanter's scoring opportunities come off offensive rebounds (league average as of December 14th: 6.5%...although this is certainly much higher for bigs). On these opportunities, he puts up 0.85 points per possession. League average PPP on offensive rebounds is 1.10; league average PPP on all non-transition scoring opportunities (postups, Pick and rolls, cuts, spotups, etc.) is 0.92 (both league average numbers as of December 14th).

    Dude needs to pass when shots aren't there. On offensive rebounds, if you can get a shot right away, take it. If not, reset the offense. In postups, protect the ball, and pass it out when stuck in traffic. Seems easy enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
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    Kanter's offensive game has been coming along nicely. Looking at the mysynergysports.com stats, there are a couple problems that stand out. Fortunately, both seem fixable.

    1. Kanter turns the ball over at an alarming rate. Median team turnover rate is 13.4%. Kanter's stands at 21.6% (Favors: 13.2%; Millsap: 10.4%; Jefferson: 6.9%). Kanter is tops among the 4 bigs in postup points per possession at 0.84 (Millsap: 0.84; Favors: 0.83; Jefferson: 0.82; league average as of December 14th: 0.83), despite turning the ball over on 32.8% of his postups (shots, shooting fouls or turnovers).

    2. Kanter converts offensive rebounds at a very poor rate. 21.2% of Kanter's scoring opportunities come off offensive rebounds (league average as of December 14th: 6.5%...although this is certainly much higher for bigs). On these opportunities, he puts up 0.85 points per possession. League average PPP on offensive rebounds is 1.10; league average PPP on all non-transition scoring opportunities (postups, Pick and rolls, cuts, spotups, etc.) is 0.92 (both league average numbers as of December 14th).

    Dude needs to pass when shots aren't there. On offensive rebounds, if you can get a shot right away, take it. If not, reset the offense. In postups, protect the ball, and pass it out when stuck in traffic. Seems easy enough.
    Good work. Thanks for posting this.
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    In our young men's basketball team we have this 6"6' boy who is very Un-athletic... I tell him to run to either side of the paint and our pg will throw the ball to you... I then tell him don't bring the ball down once you have it, keep it up and aim for the red outlined square on the backboard.. He probably makes 33% of his shots but never turns it over cuz he never brings the ball down...


    I'm sure if this 17 year old boy can master this concept Kanter will figure it out soon enough!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulu View Post
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    In our young men's basketball team we have this 6"6' boy who is very Un-athletic... I tell him to run to either side of the paint and our pg will throw the ball to you... I then tell him don't bring the ball down once you have it, keep it up and aim for the red outlined square on the backboard.. He probably makes 33% of his shots but never turns it over cuz he never brings the ball down...


    I'm sure if this 17 year old boy can master this concept Kanter will figure it out soon enough!!!
    Yes he can!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
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    Kanter's offensive game has been coming along nicely. Looking at the mysynergysports.com stats, there are a couple problems that stand out. Fortunately, both seem fixable.

    1. Kanter turns the ball over at an alarming rate. Median team turnover rate is 13.4%. Kanter's stands at 21.6% (Favors: 13.2%; Millsap: 10.4%; Jefferson: 6.9%). Kanter is tops among the 4 bigs in postup points per possession at 0.84 (Millsap: 0.84; Favors: 0.83; Jefferson: 0.82; league average as of December 14th: 0.83), despite turning the ball over on 32.8% of his postups (shots, shooting fouls or turnovers).

    2. Kanter converts offensive rebounds at a very poor rate. 21.2% of Kanter's scoring opportunities come off offensive rebounds (league average as of December 14th: 6.5%...although this is certainly much higher for bigs). On these opportunities, he puts up 0.85 points per possession. League average PPP on offensive rebounds is 1.10; league average PPP on all non-transition scoring opportunities (postups, Pick and rolls, cuts, spotups, etc.) is 0.92 (both league average numbers as of December 14th).

    Dude needs to pass when shots aren't there. On offensive rebounds, if you can get a shot right away, take it. If not, reset the offense. In postups, protect the ball, and pass it out when stuck in traffic. Seems easy enough.
    Since we can't actually reset the offense on this team, a better option for him might be to close his eyes and throw it over his head in the vague direction of the basket. Otherwise, excellent points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
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    2. Kanter converts offensive rebounds at a very poor rate. 21.2% of Kanter's scoring opportunities come off offensive rebounds (league average as of December 14th: 6.5%...although this is certainly much higher for bigs). On these opportunities, he puts up 0.85 points per possession. League average PPP on offensive rebounds is 1.10; league average PPP on all non-transition scoring opportunities (postups, Pick and rolls, cuts, spotups, etc.) is 0.92 (both league average numbers as of December 14th).

    Dude needs to pass when shots aren't there. On offensive rebounds, if you can get a shot right away, take it. If not, reset the offense. In postups, protect the ball, and pass it out when stuck in traffic. Seems easy enough.
    This is a team wide problem. Jazz are as bad tipping in as they are shooting jumpers. Howeva, Kanter sometimes is great at missing the first, getting a rebound, and making the second.

    I've called for them to kick it back out before but since then they've decided offensive rebounds underneath aren't necessary. One pump chumps.


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