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    I'm encouraged by what I saw from him and thinking he'd do more isn't reasonable given the injury and lack of playing time.

    That said... we can't blame all of his issues on Quin, Mack, etc. he still has some fatal flaws and while I don't think he is a dumb basketball player the mistakes he makes are usually big ones that lead to uncontested baskets. Those things are maddening to coaches, but we need to live through them and hopefully weed them out.

    He also needs to be a better shooter and be an adequate shooter off the dribble... he's terrible at that and it may end up being the fatal flaw that neuters his biggest strength... speed.

    If he takes his frustration out by working his ass off he can be a great player... if he pouts and looks for greener pastures he may not last in the league. Next year is the big test.
    Even with everything I said about Quin and Mack, I also agree with this. Exum needs to own where he is as a player (even if he thinks he was treated unfairly) and make Snyder play him by how much he improves. If he comes back next season and hasn't significantly improved I will start worrying about what kind of player he can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handlogten's Heros View Post
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    We play slow but it's a different kind of slow. We push for opportunity but if it isn't there we run our offense. Playing fast does not always equal playing well. Given that we don't have offensive superstars and have a lot of guys who don't create a ton I think our offense was good. If you have to deal with our tough defense on one side and then grind out offensive possessions for 20 seconds every time down the court it wears you out.
    I think what he is talking about is pushing the ball up the court in early offense. Exum, Neto, and Burks are the only guys on the team that do this consistently. The Warriors are committed to this on every made or missed basket, and it puts a ton of pressure on teams, influences how they can go after offensive rebounds, and makes them have to stay very disciplined in keeping players back.

    Obviously the Jazz don't have the horses to run that way, but Exum could definitely play in that style and flourish. I think when the Jazz did occasionally commit to pushing the ball hard they created a lot of easy opportunities for themselves.

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    That dunk at 1:10 is the future. Going left, off one foot... a sign that there is a lot of improvement left to his game.

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    Obviously the Jazz don't have the horses to run that way, but Exum could definitely play in that style and flourish. I think when the Jazz did occasionally commit to pushing the ball hard they created a lot of easy opportunities for themselves.
    This is the part I have to disagree with......We saw how the threat of Exum taking off fullcourt changed the urgency of the Warriors with that,so we know more pace agrees with Exum BUT Hood ,Hayward ,Lyles and Ingles can handle the ball and are young enough to run hard up court.Gobert is young and arguably the most athletic Center right now .Yet Jazz rarely pushed the ball and walked the ball up court time and time again.With the way the Jazz can pass the ball ,all the Jazz are missing is speed at the PG position....Hill is resigned and Teodosic or Mack signed/resigned ,Exum will rightfully get himself in the best shape of his life to run ANOTHER team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quin's Murderface View Post
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    I think Exum could have contributed more this season if Quin had shown more confidence in him and let him get a rhythm as the main backup all year. He used Shelvin as a security blanket when things went wrong, and pulled Exum out very quickly when he made mistakes. By doing that he conditioned Dante to worry about making mistakes more, and for parts of the season this really seemed to impact his confidence and level of play.

    It's funny, because I recently read a quote by Brad Stevens about Jaylen Brown's development where he basically said that you have to give the young talented player the benefit of the doubt in every circumstance if it is close. That's how you get them enough time and confidence to develop most quickly. I though Quin Snyder understood this idea until this season. For whatever reason he went with a strategy that clutched at trying to win now (like this quarter or play) as opposed to letting the much more talented player work through a couple mistakes and eventually be able to contribute in a meaningful way, and feel like a part of the future moving forward. But worse than that, he treated the players the opposite way he should, and also let a lot of bad defense and TO's slide when it was Mack involved.

    I don't brag about calling thing in advance very often, but I was dead set on the team trading Shelvin last offseason, and I still think signing him was low-key one of the worst moves that DL has ever made.I think the team would be in such a better place to re-sign Hayward if Exum was showing more signs of breaking out and being a legitimate starting PG. They would also have a lot more options and flexibility. I think he would have done this if he wasn't a platoon option with a journeyman PG. DL should have taken Shelvin away from Quin.
    Great post.

    I agree about Stevens saying you give a talented player the benefit of the doubt. You have to keep testing them even if they fail. That's why I made that thread asking if Quin was blowing it with Dante.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quin's Murderface View Post
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    I think Exum could have contributed more this season if Quin had shown more confidence in him and let him get a rhythm as the main backup all year. He used Shelvin as a security blanket when things went wrong, and pulled Exum out very quickly when he made mistakes. By doing that he conditioned Dante to worry about making mistakes more, and for parts of the season this really seemed to impact his confidence and level of play.

    It's funny, because I recently read a quote by Brad Stevens about Jaylen Brown's development where he basically said that you have to give the young talented player the benefit of the doubt in every circumstance if it is close. That's how you get them enough time and confidence to develop most quickly. I though Quin Snyder understood this idea until this season. For whatever reason he went with a strategy that clutched at trying to win now (like this quarter or play) as opposed to letting the much more talented player work through a couple mistakes and eventually be able to contribute in a meaningful way, and feel like a part of the future moving forward. But worse than that, he treated the players the opposite way he should, and also let a lot of bad defense and TO's slide when it was Mack involved.

    I don't brag about calling thing in advance very often, but I was dead set on the team trading Shelvin last offseason, and I still think signing him was low-key one of the worst moves that DL has ever made.I think the team would be in such a better place to re-sign Hayward if Exum was showing more signs of breaking out and being a legitimate starting PG. They would also have a lot more options and flexibility. I think he would have done this if he wasn't a platoon option with a journeyman PG. DL should have taken Shelvin away from Quin.
    Good post.
    And I think exum sucks. But so does mack and neto.
    I think if exum would have been used as THE back up point guard all season then we would have won about the same amount of games (maybe even won more games as exum would have likely got comfortable in his role and gained confidence and increased his production as the year progressed) but be better off now and for the future. Quin screwed up big time on that one imo.
    Gobert is eating souls out there

    Snyder’s resting facial expression resembles that of a shiv-wielding prisoner

    Quinn will let the team eat tonight now

    Quinn snyder has definitely killed multiple hookers right?
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    Apparently, Dante has been handed a thorough and rigorous training schedule for the summer, per Locke. Jazz are trying to do a lot of work with him this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
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    Apparently, Dante has been handed a thorough and rigorous training schedule for the summer, per Locke. Jazz are trying to do a lot of work with him this summer.
    Good to hear, thanks
    Gobert is eating souls out there

    Snyder’s resting facial expression resembles that of a shiv-wielding prisoner

    Quinn will let the team eat tonight now

    Quinn snyder has definitely killed multiple hookers right?

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    The one bright side of Dante not playing much this season is that he might be cheaper when his contract is up.
    Gobert is eating souls out there

    Snyder’s resting facial expression resembles that of a shiv-wielding prisoner

    Quinn will let the team eat tonight now

    Quinn snyder has definitely killed multiple hookers right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
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    Apparently, Dante has been handed a thorough and rigorous training schedule for the summer, per Locke. Jazz are trying to do a lot of work with him this summer.
    Where did you hear this? That is good news. The exit interviews didn't give much good info on what the plan was with Exum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncoloradojazz View Post
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    ... Everyone except you clowns knew the kid was going be a project. Now y'all ready to give up on him after 3 years. Jazz fans are so frickle
    Exum has played over 3,000 minutes in the NBA and you're saying the Jazz and the fans don't have patience? Seems we have plenty, probably too much. Here's every player in NBA history that played more than 3,000 minutes and put up similarly crappy stats as Exum:

    https://bkref.com/tiny/V5s4v

    He's almost certainly a bust, and he will get yet another chance next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
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    Apparently, Dante has been handed a thorough and rigorous training schedule for the summer, per Locke. Jazz are trying to do a lot of work with him this summer.
    That worked wonders for Favors last off-season.

    (Ducks) JK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quin's Murderface View Post
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    Where did you hear this? That is good news. The exit interviews didn't give much good info on what the plan was with Exum.
    Locke mentioned it today based on his discussion with Dennis Lindsey. They're trying to develop his game to match this body/athleticism--develop floaters, develop his shot off the bounce, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t View Post
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    Exum has played over 3,000 minutes in the NBA and you're saying the Jazz and the fans don't have patience? Seems we have plenty, probably too much. Here's every player in NBA history that played more than 3,000 minutes and put up similarly crappy stats as Exum:

    https://bkref.com/tiny/V5s4v

    He's almost certainly a bust, and he will get yet another chance next season.
    Fans dont need to be that patient. His stats post all-star this year have been pretty solid and he contributed to winning. Your link does not work but I am guessing it is just one stat like PER and players with the same PER which is not that useful. When healthy Exum has been one of the best players on defense at his position. That is half the game and something for his age he is elite at. That is a huge plus and shows how hard he works. Most young players suck on defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
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    That worked wonders for Favors last off-season.

    (Ducks) JK
    Its a real bummer that Favors got injured. All signs pointed to him making a huge jump this season. Hopefully he can get right again although I am about 50/50 on him getting healthy.

    I am glad Jazz are focused on Exum though it worked wonders when they focused on and gave Gobert very specific training plans.

    Exum and Gobert share a lot in common imo. I think Exum is going to follow Goberts rise over the next few years. In 3 years when Exum is the age of Gobert is now I think he will be good.
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