2020 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by White Chocolate, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. JazzyFresh

    JazzyFresh Well-Known Member

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    See I knew you call her a liar.

    And lol I hardly ever mention Hillary. You guys are on your 8th impeachment on Trump and he hasn't been found guilty of a single thing. As long as you can criticize Trump though.
     
  2. Gameface

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  3. One Brow

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    If states were exercising sovereign rights as states, cool. That was the original purpose of the electoral college. Instead, states have abandoned those rights to the electorate of the state. People vote for the President. Most of the time, the electors they are actually electing are not even on the ballot, and those electors are chosen by the political parties, not the state. The states are not exercising any sovereign rights here.

    Especially when my reaction reflects reality.
     
  4. Political Jazz Fan

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  6. One Brow

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    Patricia Smith? I didn't call her a liar. I said she was not an impartial observer. My guess would be Clinton gave pretty close to the same non-committal response you posted her saying, and the Patricia Smith heard it the way you heard it. Does make her a liar, just wrong.

    I have occasionally praised Trump, as well.
     
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  8. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I'm of the opinion that a few select States should never be the only ones whose votes matter.

    IDGAF if those states change every so often.

    I believe that all votes should matter the exact same amount.

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  10. fishonjazz

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    Actually Trump has only been impeached once. I know, it seems like he should have been impeached like 8 times so I understand your confusion.

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  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Did you know that the citizens of a state could vote for a candidate and then the dude in charge of the electoral votes for that state could be like "ha ha ha, **** you guys. I'm giving the electoral votes to whoever I want"

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  12. Zombie

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    I still don't understand why anyone would support this guy.
     
  13. AverageJoe

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    I kind of get what the twisted logic is. If you want to fight fire with fire Bloomberg's your man. Would morally bankrupt the democratic party if they rolled with him though. Totally the wrong horse. Alienate all but the staunchest democratic establishment, for what? the hope of pulling in some of Trumps base? It's a bad play for the democrats strategically. And morally he's at least par with Trump and possibly even worse somehow.Yuck.

     
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  14. Catchall

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    That never happens though. There were calls from Democrats last year to defy their states' vote and not confirm Trump, but it didn't happen. The state delegates are honor-bound to convey the votes of their citizens.
     
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  15. fishonjazz

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    Huh, I thought it literally happened in the last election.

    Actually I googled it and came up with this that seems to show that it actually happened numerous times last election: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...-faithless-electors-2016-story.html?_amp=true

    They had been lobbied for weeks to abandon Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump. But ultimately, only two members of the electoral college did so, while five members deserted Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

    It was the largest number of individual defections by electors in a U.S. presidential election


    The final tally in Monday’s vote was 304 votes for Trump and 227 votes for Clinton. The two Republican renegades were from Texas, while Clinton lost pledged votes from Hawaii, Maine and Washington.

    These seven individuals join a small club of “faithless electors” in American history.

    There has been a total of 157 faithless electors



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  16. fishonjazz

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    Here is Wikipedia:
    In United States presidential elections, a faithless elector is a member of the United States Electoral College who does not vote for the presidential or vice presidential candidate for whom they had pledged to vote.

    In the 2016 United States presidential election, ten members of the US Electoral College voted or attempted to vote for a candidate different from whom they were pledged

    Although there had been a combined total of 167 instances of individual electors voting faithlessly in over two centuries of previous US presidential elections,[5] 2016 was the first election in over a hundred years in which multiple electors worked to alter the result of the election in order to "vote their conscience for the good of America"

    As a result of the seven successfully cast faithless votes, the Democratic Party nominee, Hillary Clinton, lost five of her pledged electors while the Republican Party nominee and then president-elect, Donald Trump, lost two. Three of the faithless electors voted for Colin Powell while John Kasich, Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, and Faith Spotted Eagle each received one vote.

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  17. fishonjazz

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    So basically the electors can simply be like "the voters of my state are idiots so I'm going to give my electoral vote for the person I think should be president".
    And it does happen. 7 times in 2016.


    Again, the electoral college sucks. In every way

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  18. Red

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    He does 8 impeachable things before breakfast.
     
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  20. Douchebag K

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    Who’s this dude that looks like Brad Stevens ?
     

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