2020 Presidential Election

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  1. Heathme

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    You are correct that reform must happen. Before Obamacare, I had excellent insurance through my employer. Now I pay monthly for a $7500 high deductible plan that I cannot even use. The problem with your Germany example though is that you spend nearly half the year working for the government. The top tax rate of 42% applies to taxable income above €55,961. Finally, for taxable income above €265,327, a 45% tax is applicable.

    I'll take insurance the way it used to be (not that long ago) over the government running it into the ground any day!!
     
  2. LogGrad98

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    Can you show me evidence of Germany, or say Sweden or Norway or most other developed Nations "running it into the ground"? That was not my experience. It wasn't perfect, and of course people still complained, but it was a damn site better than here, and regardless of the tax rate (full disclosure, I paid the max tax rate), our standard of living was better than it is here, in my subjective opinion.
     
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  3. Heathme

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  5. Archie Moses

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    Raise your hand if you wish there were a candidate that represented the obvious left and obvious right rhetoric?

    @Harambe **** that guy. Leftist ideology is porn to him. Especially if he thinks I think I'm always right.

    #yangtrain
     
  6. LogGrad98

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    Well first there has to be wide spread reform in general. It is already very common knowledge that we subsidize the rest of the world for pharmaceutical costs. Germany and other countries control the costs allowed by law, we don't so we get meds at hundreds and thousands times markup over cost. If we don't reign in costs then yes, we would all have to pay exorbitant amounts for health care. But guess what? We already do. My insurance this year, if we meet our deductible, will cost me $14,264. That includes the premium, the premiums for vision and dental, and the deductible for health Care. It doesn't include the deductible and limits in dental and vision. This year I have already paid about $1500 in dental beyond my limits for my family, and we are about half way through our deductible for medical. So for me $7k to $9k is a bargain. You need to be intellectually honest and compare to the costs people actually pay now. You make it sound like $9k is a lot. It's not. Many pay more than that now, and many others simply don't and don't have coverage. How is that better again?
     
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  7. Gameface

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    That is less than what my wife and I pay in premiums. I still have a deductible and co-pay. So what that tells me is that I would SAVE money and every person in this country would have health care.

    Sign me up!
     
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  8. Zombie

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    Sounds good to me too. I pay an equivalent amount of money for my salary per year just in premiums, and I have a plan through my employer who I'm sure is footing most of the bill.

    Seems like a no brainer to me.
     
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  9. The Thriller

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    You realize that all of the Democratic candidates are 100x more capable than Donald trump, the leader of the GOP, right?
     
  10. The Thriller

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    Single payer systems have all proven to cut costs and improve health care outcomes.

    Not every single payer system is government owned. France, Germany, Switzerland, and japan all use a single payer system model where government regulates costs and insurance companies are nonprofit.

    The UK uses a single payer system where doctors and hospitals are all socialized.

    Canada uses a single payer system where doctors and hospitals remain private but all receive compensation from one government funded insurance plan, Medicare.

    If the United States were to move to any of these, they’d see costs drop and health outcomes increase.

    Republicans try and scare people away from the Medicare for all plan by bringing up how much it’ll cost. Often, they throw around exaggerated numbers. They never talk about how much our current system will end up costing. Why? Because even with their exaggerated numbers, the costs of Medicare for all are smaller than leaving our system alone, status quo.

    The United States has the worst health care system of the industrialized world. We pay the most, don’t cover everybody, and our outcomes suck.
     
  11. DasJazz

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    They have proven and continue to consistently prove otherwise but keep dreaming my friend. It's good to have hopes and dreams.
     
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  12. JazzyFresh

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    "Those are my standards, that’s how low they’ve become. "
    -you

    I was simply agreeing with you lol.
     
  13. Heathme

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  15. The Thriller

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    Tell me more about how bad the democrats are.
     
  16. Heathme

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    Gutfeld on 2020 Dems trying to act human

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gutfeld-2020-dems-trying-to-act-human

    If Beto O’Rourke can change a tire, maybe he can change the world.

    "I'm changing the tire on this truck," he explained in a video. That went great!

    Yeah, it's as choreographed as the Ice Capades, but it beats watching this feverish lightweight clipping his ear hair.

    Or dragging you to the dentist to see the inside of his gaping mouth.

    So what’s next for "Slender Man"? What other impersonations of a regular guy can he do?
    Can he hammer a nail into the coffin of his dead campaign? Or dig a ditch where he can bury the unsold copies of Vanity Fair? Maybe return home to borrow money from the in-laws?

    Meanwhile, Liz Warren gets an earful of reality from a farmer, who told her, "The Green New Deal says we need to get rid of cows. I don’t agree with that."

    "Eh!" she replied. The truth left her cold.

    As Kamala Harris found no rest in a rest home.

    "Leave our health care system alone," an elderly resident told her.

    "OK," Harris responded. "I won't mess with the health care that you have."

    Then she threw her behind bars.

    Well, that was bad. Why is that? Well, neither Liz or Kamala seem interested or comfortable.

    Click link above to read more.
     
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  18. Harambe

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    Entirely helpful. You're doin terrific.
     
  19. LogGrad98

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    Exactly how is your post "helpful"?
     
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  20. Archie Moses

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    I'm a helpful *************.
     
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