2020 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by White Chocolate, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. JazzyFresh

    JazzyFresh Well-Known Member

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    poster- "hey that's a nice cat"

    Chuck Snowflake-"HEY WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!?! TRUMP! TRRRRUUUUUUUUUMP!!!!!!!???"
    *proceeds to Hulk Smash cat*
     
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  2. Catchall

    Catchall Well-Known Member 2019 Prediction Contest Winner

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    Regarding the trade war with China, no I'm not terribly concerned about it. The U.S. and China have been in a trade war for more than 20 years. The fact that Trump's admin is posing resistance to China, which is historically rare, may or may not be the right move in the long term. He has a group of advisors he's working with that have charted this path. We'll have to wait and see.

    At the beginning of August, Trump threatened the tariffs that he's announcing today, after his delegation returned from meetings in Shanghai empty-handed. Giving subsidies to farmers in the meantime, isn't a problem if it's an interim strategy. Trump is pushing the sale of U.S. agricultural products in nearly every trade negotiation he makes, including China. China is extremely dependent upon exports and foreign investment to keep its economy moving. They've been over-leveraged for more than 10 years. Now they are taking a hit and have devalued their currency as a countermove. They're also taking economic and political pressure in Hong Kong. Lets see how they withstand it.

    Bernie isn't a "long-shot" candidate. He's been top two or three in virtually every official poll this year, while Biden, as a front-runner, has been erratic. The DNC candidates in this election are weak, and the fact that Bernie is painting himself in a corner with outright socialism will all but take him out of the running. And for what it's worth, Elizabeth Warren is perceived to be just as far left as Bernie is. That's why Dems have started rallying for Biden, warts and all.

    Trump is obnoxious and irritating, and he comes off childish at times, but he still has a strong base of support from conservatives and has the Republican party behind him. If the Dems can't find a compelling candidate, he's likely to win again.

    Meanwhile, you're something like a liberal stooge who makes an average of 20+ political posts everyday on a message board for the Utah Jazz, repeating the same angry opinion over and over. You're the epitome of the angry Democrat, full of sour grapes, but with nothing to offer.
     
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  3. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    My concerns are legitimate, as shown by the overall disapproval of trump on this board, this nation, and industrialized world. The stock market, is clearly showing how concerned we all should be with your president's policies.

    Meanwhile, your concerns are invalid. Sanders has been losing support as Warren has overtaken him as a clear #2. Sanders is 3rd or 4th depending on the poll and seeing diminishing support. But at least his policies help address the world’s #1 threat, climate change.

    You?

    * Copy and paste right wing nonsense about socialism.
    * Try and paint those addressing climate change as alarmists.
    * Ignore the very real socialism from your boy.
    * Demonstrate everyday that facts never will get in the way of your Trump worship.
     
  4. Catchall

    Catchall Well-Known Member 2019 Prediction Contest Winner

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    Sanders polled #2 in NH this month. He's not a laggard in the Dem race, and he still has a very strong base of support.

    * I'm not copying and pasting right-wing non-sense. Show me where I have. The interview with The Hill's John Solomon I posted this week isn't right-wing nonsense. It would only look that way if you're used to consuming left-wing nonsense. The Justice Department reports on the origins of the FBI's Russia probe will make the Democrats and everyone crowing about Trump-Russia collusion look bad. So go ahead and brace yourself for it.
    * I have never talked about climate change on this board. Show me where I have.
    * Trump isn't a socialist. He's a narcissistic bully, but socialism is based on centralizing and expanding state power. Trump was elected in 2016 as the lesser of two evils, where the other evil was Hillary. That was a good decision, in my opinion. Bernie Sanders proudly calls himself a "democratic-socialist," whatever that's supposed to mean.
    * I'm not worshipping Trump, but I'm telling you objectively, he's still likely to get re-elected.

    You're welcome to your concerns, and clearly you like to vent them endlessly on this board. When Utah votes red again in this next election, you'll see if the majority of people on this board and elsewhere really agree with you.
     
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  5. Heathme

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  7. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Lmfao, what a **** show y’all are turning out to be.
     
  8. Heathme

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  9. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Lol, my favorite part was you being told all your concerns are invalid. Hahaha.

    I’m not laughing at you FYI.
     
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  11. JazzyFresh

    JazzyFresh Well-Known Member

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    I'm hella big mad yo!
     
  12. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    It’s not that simple. Even if we went popular vote for president congress will still be very representative of the population.

    Yes, there needs to be protections for there but lots of that is built into the system over all.

    It’s president. Not dictator. I’m not for just tweaking on part of the process though. I’m in favor of massive change. Lobbying, gerrymandering, EC v popular, term limits...
     
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  13. Zombie

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    As opposed to the system we have now, where candidates spend all their time and attention on Ohio Michigan and the rest of the so called battleground states.

    And being a "republic" doesn't mean that instead of rule by majority, we are instead ruled by a minority. It basically just means that we are ruled by electors selected by the public, and not a monarch, based on a written constitution. Its so unbearably stupid how often the term Republic gets thrown around with no regard for what the word actually means.
     
  14. Zombie

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    Good post. We have protections such as the bill of rights, checks and balances between the branches of government, etc.

    If the electoral college defenders really believed it was the last vanguard against tyranny by the majority, they'd be pushing for that system for governorships as well, which are all directly elected, yes even in states with wide urban and rural divides. It works fine, and gubernatorial candidates don't just campaign in urban centers.
     
  15. One Brow

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    That may be one of the dumbest takes I have ever heard. Well spotted.
     
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  16. One Brow

    One Brow Well-Known Member

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    I guess this guy never heard of suburbs.
     
  17. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    Saying we're not a democracy we're a republic, makes as much sense as saying I don't drive a car, I drive a Ford!

    It's ****ing both, you unrelenting morons.
     
  18. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    As it stands now even with the EC I have never voted based on where the candidates campaign. I have never been to a rally or whatever.
    Getting rid of the EC simply means that every vote counts.
    Voters living in low population locations vote would have the exact same amount of power as a voter residing in New York City.
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  19. Heathme

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  20. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    Is there a person behind this account? Like, you don't respond or acknowledge any responses to the things you post.

    What's the point?
     
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