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All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: Thee jazz fan vs. Ron Mexico

Which team would win in a 7-game series?


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Elizah Huge

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Team Thee jazz fan:

PG - Oscar Robertson / Bob Cousy
SG - Joe Dumars / Dale Ellis
SF - Tracy McGrady / Alex English
PF - Dennis Rodman / Jamal Mashburn
C - Hakeem Olajuwon / Jermaine O'Neal

Team Ron Mexico:

PG - John Stockton / Tiny Archibald
SG - Jimmy Butler / Sam Jones
SF - Elgin Baylor / Latrell Sprewell
PF - Anthony Davis / Rasheed Wallace
C - Joel Embiid / Kristaps Porzingis

Thee jazz fan’s Case:

The Big O
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Oscar Robertson, the "Big O," is the player against whom all others labeled "versatile" are judged, and he may remain the standard forever. Statistically, one need look no further than the numbers Robertson put up in 1961-62, just his second year in the league: 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 11.4 assists per game -- a triple-double average for an entire season. He remained the only player to do so for more than 50 years until Russell Westbrook matched his feat in 2016-17.

During his 14-year NBA career with the Cincinnati Royals and the Milwaukee Bucks, Robertson became the top-scoring guard of all time, amassing 26,710 points, which ranks 12th in NBA history. His average of 25.7 ppg per game ranks as the seventh-highest mark ever among retired players, and he averaged 30 points or more in six seasons.

This team is perfect for the half court game, on offense.

Oscar will be a load for the diminutive John Stockton, Oscar will use his 6-5 frame to push Stockton around both in post up situations and employing pick’n roll from inside the 3pt line with Olajuwon creating added pressure on the defense. Robertson can either hit The Dream cutting to the basket or take it all the way if Embiid doesn’t commit, or kick it out to Dumars or TMac for an open three

Hakeem Olajuwon
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During his 18-year career, Hakeem Olajuwon staked his claim as one of the greatest players in NBA history. Long considered a physical marvel since his days at the University of Houston, his aesthetic and productive play -- highlighted by his Houston Rockets' back-to-back NBA titles -- earned him a place among the game's best.

In 1993-94 he had a storybook season, becoming the first player to be named NBA MVP, NBA Defensive Player of the Year and NBA Finals MVP in the same season.

Olajuwon is probably the most talented Center to play the game. Hakeem Olajuwon is the only player in NBA history to record more than 3,000 blocked shots and 2,000 steals. He had elite level offense and defense, and there isn’t a better player to build a team around.

I would fully expect Olajuwon to win his matchup with Embiid, Embiid hasn’t accomplished anything to this point and he’s going against the best Center in this competition. Olajuwon is a better defender, offensive player and by far the better rim protector and has tons mor experience, that alone will help Hakeem outclass Embiid and dominate the matchup, just as he has every other center he’s ever matched up with including the likes of The Admiral, Ewing and last but not least Shaq.

Dennis Rodman
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Defense and rebounding



If Dennis can lock down Shaq, he can guard any type of player.



Rodman is one of if not the most unique player the nba has ever seen. He can affect a game without ever shooting a shot or calling a play for Rodman. This is a man who can guard anyone in the game 1-5, and will guard whoever he needs to on Ron’s team. If someone on Ron’s team is having a big game, I can tell Rodman to shut his *** down, what a weapon! In this case his primary man will be Davis. In most cases he will be a mismatch nightmare against any other team, but unfortunately he draws Dennis, whether he has to guard him on the perimeter or in the post, Dennis is up for the challenge. Davis will not enjoy being hounded and out hustled, outmatched physically, and out rebounded. I’m sure Ron will talk about how these will be advantages for Davis, truth is these are all things Dennis will destroy Davis in. Davis is a smooth soft spoken player, Dennis plays at a ravenous pace, is all heart and plays at one speed, light speed.

TMac
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TMac vs Kobe



Look back at TMac

https://youtu.be/S_NVw9G5t0Y

The one position Ron may have over me is sf, Elgin Baylor vs. TMac, but a marginal one at that, and having an Elite rim protector will allow TMac to guard him tight, and funnel him right into Hakeem, but this is also a matchup TMac can take advantage of on offense being 3 inches taller.

Where TMac is so valuable is that he can get a good shot off no matter the situation, he’s a lot like Durant is, he’s so dynamic out on the perimeter or in the post, can just score from anywhere in a half court setting when the possession breaks down

Dumars
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Mvp performance

https://youtu.be/gubG-TqVC-w

Dumars is a former finals MVP 5 time all defensive teamer 2 time nba champ. He’s been there done that

This is a great two way player in his own right, and is one of the great big game clutch performers. Dumars vs vs Butler would be pretty even, but like Olajuwon vs. Embiid or Rodman vs. Davis, Dumars wins this matchup due to experience, in like Butler he’s seen every situation and achieved so much more then Butler. In the end Dumars understands what it takes to win in the playoffs and rise to that high level it takes to succeed in a contest like this.

My bench
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Every bench needs someone that can come in and get buckets, and who better then Alex English, who was the all time leading scorer in the 80’s. English is in many ways the forgotten legend being a soft spoken type player that didn’t advertise himself and was stuck on bad teams, but he had an unstoppable offensive weapon in his midrange game. It didn’t matter if he was guarded close or not as it was a silky smooth high release.

Ellis is one of the best 3point shooters to ever play in the nba and known as a great scorer in his earlier years

Mashburn will be a defensive nightmare for most bigs as, he would draw Wallace or Davis out on the perimeter, where they are not adapt at guarding so far away from the basket. Then there’s Cousy. He will act as a spark plug on offense putting on a show getting my team into fast breaks for easy buckets in short spurts. One thing of note he will share backup pg duties with Dumars, who has experience running the point position.

On my bench I have a lot of position versatility. Jermaine O’Neal agreat defender and rim protector can play the 4 and 5. Mashburn had a postup game in his bag of tricks standing at 6-8 240lb’s could play the 3 or 4 spots. Ellis and English could play both the 2 or 3 spots

Ron Mexico’s Case:

The break down for my team is pick and roll them to death with elite spacing on the court. I can play 5 out at all times. I have 4 bigs that can shoot the 3 and defend the rim. I also have elite defense. All 5 of my starters play great hard nose defense. Having bigs that can protect the rim allows my guys on the perimeter to be very aggressive. Stockton and Butler are great at being aggressive on defense and getting after guys. Elgin Baylor is one of the most athletic players. He was what Lebron is today in his time. Here is what Jerry West had to say about him: "He was one of the most spectacular shooters the game has ever known," Baylor's longtime teammate Jerry West told HOOPmagazine in 1992. "I hear people talking about forwards today and I haven't seen many that can compare with him." Not much changes when my bench comes in. I have an MVP PG coming in to backup Stockton. I have 2 bigs that can protect the rim and shoot. I have an enforcer and all around bad *** in Sprewell at SF to bother anyone and still score. Oh, plus I have Mr Big Shot coming off the bench just a 10X NBA Champ, HOF,lightning quick guy who can play and guard 3 positions.

PG Battle:
Oscar was nice but he didnt win and he didnt play defense. Stockton plays defense, plays hard and wins. The Big O liked the flashy passes but Stockton was an effective passer. Stockton would have a field day and run the pick and roll all day against these guys. Stockton is clearly the better player here.

SG Battle:
Offensively these guys put up similarnumbers. Both of their best years they put up 23 ppg. But Butler was a lot more efficient it took him less shots per game to get more points. Plus Butler has a lot more boards and a lot more assists and better defense. Butler is clearly the better player here.

SF Battle:
TMac put up numbers but never got out of the first round even though his team was usually favored and he had great teams around him. Houston had a really good team and he chocked. Elgin lead his teamto the finals 8X. Baylor's best year he was an MVP and scored 6 more ppg, 12 more Rpg, but Tmac did have 1 more assist per game. Baylor was an elite athlete that could do it all. This one easily goes to the 11X all NBA, MVP, HOF Elgin Baylor.

PF Battle:
Rodman was a great rebounder and a great defensive player. But Anthony Davis is Elite on offense along with a great defender. Ill give the edge to Rodman on rebounding and even defense a slight edge but I wouldnot even have to guard Rodman on offense and he would be a huge liability. Davis is averaging 30 ppg in the playoffs. Rodmans best playoff season he averaged 9 ppg.Rodman might try and bug Davis but Davis can stretch and play away from the rim taking away a lot of his advantages. This is another one in my favor.

C Battle:
This is the only position I dont have an advantage at. But Embiid is a young version of Hakeem and can do a lot of things he can. Plus Embiid can shoot the three. But this one is clearly an advantage for Hakeem.

Bench Battle:
I have meanness, shooting, defense and all around great scoring. This one easily goes to me. Cousy, Ellis and English arentguarding anyone. My bench can easily playelite defense and still score very well.
 
Hakeem & Rodman gonna dominate the front court, just too much experience. Oscar Robertson will be a handful. Wings are pretty even, neither here nor there.

Thee has a really good team this year.
 
This one is really tough. I love Thee's synergy and great defense at 3 positions. But Ron's front court is really potent. I'll think about it a bit.
 
I'm gonna go with Ron. I think Thee's bigs will have a hard time following Ron's around the perimeter given that they can operate inside and out. I'm not really sure, tho. I don't know how Elgin Baylor would look nowadays, and I'm pretty sure Robertson is a superior player, but I don't think he's better than Stockton. Embiid is a bit out of his league against The Dream, but again, he can space him out. Ron got better scoring in more diverse ways.

It's tough. But I'm going with Ron Mexico.
 
I like Ron's team but this isn't a good match-up for him. I will have to think about it but I am leaning on TJF right now.
 
I'm gonna go with Ron. I think Thee's bigs will have a hard time following Ron's around the perimeter given that they can operate inside and out. I'm not really sure, tho.

Actually, my bigs have no problems guarding on the perimeter. Hakeem has elite athleticism for a big and was very mobile, I don’t think I need to explain Rodman who can guard 5 positions, Mashburn would’ve been the perfect stretch 4, small ball 4 in today’s game, IMO he would’ve suited today’s game much better, spent his entire career defending on the perimeter, and O’Neal was on the smaller side for a center who was also a great defender and could move laterally quite well.
 
I do like Ron’s team a lot, and Embiid who has been compared to Hakeem, could one day be even better, but that day is not now. I think most teams would struggle with mismatches but I feel I’ve built such a well rounded team that can adapt to any style of team. I love the well roundedness of my team a great mix of offense and defense. I can run out two different types of small ball 4’s, O’Neal can play the 4 or 5 equally well, and the dream might be the most well rounded center in nba history.
 
Hakeem & Rodman gonna dominate the front court, just too much experience. Oscar Robertson will be a handful. Wings are pretty even, neither here nor there.

Thee has a really good team this year.
Rodman wont dominate anyone on one side of the court. But his defense would be good.

I should not have said I would change my vote... now it means you wont vote for me...
 
Hakeem would be a handful for my guys but I have plenty of people to throw at him that play good defense. Hakeem is probably the best player on the court.

But after that you have Oscar Robertson who never cared about defense or winning, he was just flashy on the court and put up stats. You have the Worm who is useless on offense. Plus mr never made it out of a first round T-Mac.

I think if this game is played in the 90s or earlier TJF would win but not today. With modern rules and the way teams play it would not be close.
 
Hakeem would be a handful for my guys but I have plenty of people to throw at him that play good defense. Hakeem is probably the best player on the court.

But after that you have Oscar Robertson who never cared about defense or winning, he was just flashy on the court and put up stats. You have the Worm who is useless on offense. Plus mr never made it out of a first round T-Mac.

I think if this game is played in the 90s or earlier TJF would win but not today. With modern rules and the way teams play it would not be close.
True, Tmac in Thee's starting lineup really hurts him imo. Guy was not a smart player or a winner.
 
So what your saying is that OL didn’t vote for me because he thinks my team isn’t that good?

Now my feelings are just crushed, can someone go tweet about it for me?
 
Is this a playoff series? Cuz we all know TMac won't make it past the first round.

JK, but this is a really tough one to call. Write-ups are very good by both. Just like ROY, it's a shame only one can win.
 
Great builds by Thee and Ron, love the make up of both of your teams.

Front court is very close. McGrady is a small edge imo and Thee has the best front court although I think Ron would have won this if AD wasnt going up against Rodman.

Thee.
 
Great builds by Thee and Ron, love the make up of both of your teams.

Front court is very close. McGrady is a small edge imo and Thee has the best front court although I think Ron would have won this if AD wasnt going up against Rodman.

Thee.
Tmac over Elgin Baylor?! Hmm, okay.
 
But after that you have Oscar Robertson who never cared about defense or winning, he was just flashy on the court and put up stats. You have the Worm who is useless on offense. Plus mr never made it out of a first round T-Mac.

That’s laughable.

Robertson led the Royals to the playoffs six times but never got past the Bill Russell-led Celtics to even reach the Finals. West, working with NBA legend Elgin Baylor, got to the Finals just fine but lost all seven trips, six of them to Robertson’s nemeses from Boston. No one was beating those Celtic teams kinda like Jordan in the 90’s. West might’ve gotten to the finals but he didn’t have to beat the celtics to get there.

Also Oscar played with a chip on his shoulder due to the whole race thing. He cared.
 
Elgin Baylor the guy who most people compare LeBron to is getting some real disrespect.

Elgin and Tracy are not in the same conversation. Elgin is much better.
 
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