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Bait Truck

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by str8line, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. str8line

    str8line Well-Known Member Contributor

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  2. Bulletproof

    Bulletproof All-Jazzfanz First Team! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    I think what the people in that community are saying is true, there are real crimes going on, the police don't need to bait their kids into crimes.

    There is a real problem in poor urban areas with the pre-school to prison pipeline, where kids at a young age are set on a course to long-term imprisonment. Kids that do essentially normal kids things are branded "young-thugs" in pre-school and elementary school and put into the justice system and are never let go of by that system.
     
  3. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

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    I feel two things (I didn't watch the video and briefly read the link.)
    1. Semi entrapment - although I can't say if this is or not - I'm no expert.
    2. Don't ****ing steal. This is a principle everyone knows is wrong. Granted, this is simple to say, but it still holds water.
     
  4. Bulletproof

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    One of the things the people in the video say to the police is "Go put this truck in your own neighborhood and arrest your kids." They seem to regard it as a trap for the children of the neighborhood. I don't think they feel sorry for adults who steal from it, but see it as a way to get the kids in that neighborhood ensnared in the justice system.
     
  5. infection

    infection Well-Known Member 2018 Award Winner

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    I've never been a fan of creating business or resulting to artificiality, typically regardless of the application.
     
  6. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

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    The bait bike is much better imo.
     
  7. bigb

    bigb Free at last!!! Contributor

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    It borders on entrapment. Technically, I don't think it is, but it's close.
    But, it's pretty messed up they put a truck full of Nike shoes in a poor urban neighborhood in the south side of Chicago. The residents have a legit complaint.
     
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  8. Zombie

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    It's just bad police work. Police should see themselves as a part of the community and strive to improve it by reducing crime. Not creating crime where it otherwise wouldn't exist. This also fuels the massive distrust of police already apparent in these poverty stricken communities.
     
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  9. infection

    infection Well-Known Member 2018 Award Winner

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    Who paid for the Nikes?
     
  10. Jazz Spazz

    Jazz Spazz Inconceivable Staff Member

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    I hate it when people create a problem, solve problem, and pretend they are a hero.
    Don't prey on anyone and basically encourage them to do something wrong, only to bust them for doing the very thing you are wanting them to do.

    Use those government funds for something that solves those issues if possible.

    I don't like it at all. Don't put that truck anywhere, but if you do insist... put that same truck in all of the neighborhoods.

    IMO, don't do any of them. By baiting you are increasing the pool of people from those looking to steal, to also include those that will commit a crime of opportunity.

    bleh
     
  11. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    Talk about piggly-wiggly ... this is the ultimate.
     
  12. candrew

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    Sounds like a lame way to pad stats. Lots easier than going in drug dens or doing actual detective work.
     
  13. LogGrad98

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    I am kind of in the camp of don't steal. Yeah it is a ****** thing for any official to do, as human nature alone will lead to some pilfering. But we also went to great strides to help our kids learn not to steal or do things like this. It was ingrained enough that when my son started smoking weed he felt he needed to come clean so he wasn't being dishonest about it. I am in no way saying my kids are perfect angels, everyone has their moments, but broadly children can be taught basic values if we put in the work. Yes I understand that the environments are very different, but it says something when we see so many mad at the cops for it, and not yelling at their kids to stop or others to simply not fall for it, and not to steal.

    So I guess bottom line is, the cops are ****-wads for doing this in the first place, and the adults need to hold the kids (and each other) accountable for their actions.

    Pipe dream I know but it is what I believe.

    [full disclosure, I did not watch the whole video...WAY too long...I skipped though to try to listen to the commentary at different points]
     
  14. Jazz Spazz

    Jazz Spazz Inconceivable Staff Member

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    After watching and skipping, and seeing it's an 18wheeler that is enclosed, my stance is a little softer, but not by much.
    It's still the same in principle, but less open opportunity than I thought when I pictured a truck bed with items in view.

    I still don't like it.
     
  15. RJF

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    They should probably put those resources toward the 71 people that were shot over the weekend Chicago...
     
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  16. bigb

    bigb Free at last!!! Contributor

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    I’m going to go out on a limb and say not the people their targeting.
     
  17. lauriandres

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    So it is my fault and i create crime if i park my bike in the black neighbourhood to visit supermarket etc? By your logic, i and my family are like crime syndicate - my bike was stolen when i visited a supermarket ('88 or something like that), and we have experienced several burglaries, too. Lost tools, like drilling machine, chainsaw etc.

    I am pretty sure that nothing like that would not happen in Japan or other countries where kids are raised with the attitude that stealing is bad. And how can that be poor neighbourhood, if people can live in private houses which seem to have nicely built unlike tenements in Russia or even in Estonia. My parents earned about 300 roubles during the Soviet time (beer was about 0,5 roubles, one USD in the black market was between 50-100 roubles) and never-ever would i have thought that robbing something would be kind of cool idea.
     
  18. Eenie-Meenie

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    I'm surprised so many people here aren't upset by this. I skipped through the video, but the whole concept is clearly entrapment and deception. You think that's ok? I didn't see the part where they opened the truck with the Nikes, but apparently this was in a poor, black neighborhood, where kids are definitely deprived. The police are being predators, preying on the misfortune of people in the hood. It's despicable, turning innocent kids into criminals, and you know how the criminal justice system works -- it only makes people worse, makes people who might otherwise turn out okay into criminals. It's what you call negative reinforcement. It sucks and we should not tolerate this.
     
  19. Zombie

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    Did you intend for your bike to be stolen when you parked it outside the grocery store? No? Then it's not really the same thing, is it.
     
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  20. lauriandres

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    No, i do not like, when my bike will be stolen. However, that does not excuse others to steal it.
    But, again, this does not seem (according to the video), a poor place either. Especially, when compared to really poor places like India, Bangladesh etc. Also, if i have understood correctly - if you live in USA and can afford an large apartment or even private house (which impossible for many citizens in different part of Asia, even in Tokyo) then you should have enough funds to not resort in stealing. IMHO being an honest person is more of a mental thing and not related to the monetary situation. Or what am i missing, if i notice that somebody says "this or that suburb is poor suburb in USA", but people live in nice looking private houses or apartments not in low quality tenements?
     

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