Coronavirus in China

latin jazz

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So the delivery people are so educated and skilled but just choose to live the Will Hunting life to buck the system?
Sorry, I think your intentions come from a good place and you are a nice dude. However, I hope you also realize you are making lots of assumptions based on some people you have met. Yeah, some made wrong decissions. But there are many who were forced to do those jobs you consider low skilled (desease or disability, lack of working permit, unemployment, language skills, debt, etc). We are not in position to judge anyone unless we know them personally (like your brother in law). My own father -many years ago- at some point had two jobs, one delivering newspaper, to pay my college.

On the other hand, I don't get how this became a political liberal vs conservative thing. It's about values and how we see others.

Anyway, keep supporting your local community and continue the good deeds.
 
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Gameface

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You keep lumping all service jobs together. That’s hysterical.
When I was just out of boot camp and living on the training base people would order pizza occasionally. There were a few delivery drivers who were also RDCs (Navy version of drill instructors). The kids just out of boot camp got a good laugh out of having their former RDC delivering their pizza.

Anyway, it might be a second job for someone, might be whatever. When I was between jobs I eventually swallowed my pride and worked as a security guard at a mall.

Nobody needs extra sympathy. I think just basic respect and not prejudging them is enough.

EDIT: Honestly sorry for the pile-on Wes.

It wasn't as much the "poor life choices" statement that got under my skin but the description of how much "work" went into getting your delivery to you. In my working life I have NEVER seen pay directly correlate with how much "work" or especially how much effort a person has to do.

The delivery driver is providing a service. Your tip should represent how much you value that service and how much you value that service being done well vs poorly. I like the tipping system because at places I frequent I get treated better than average because I tip better than average (especially for Utah). It is well worth it to me. I like to reward the people who provide exceptional service and encourage people capable of providing that level of service to work in those jobs vs having walmart level service at my favorite restaurant.
 
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BabyPeterzz

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Tipping culture is so dumb anyway. They get paid $2/hr to deal with us. And many of us suuuuck. You should tip if you get decent service regardless. Not doing so turns their position into servitude, not service.


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fishonjazz

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Tipping culture is so dumb anyway. They get paid $2/hr to deal with us. And many of us suuuuck. You should tip if you get decent service regardless. Not doing so turns their position into servitude, not service.


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Honestly I basically always tip 20 percent. Service sucked? 20 percent. Service was great? 20 percent.

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The Thriller

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I don't believe what you said about Utah not having enough tests, is true. They are basically begging people to get tested. Now, they do want you to have at least one of the six symptoms, but they may even relax that here soon if they can't get people to come get tested.
They’re begging people to be tested to contain the virus, not because they don’t have enough work to do. But you don’t have to believe me. There are experts for you to believe in:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/17/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html

Study here suggests states should be able to conduct 152 tests per 100,000 before opening up. Utah is currently at 51. Not good.

The mere fact that I can’t be tested because I’m not showing symptoms shows the insanity in opening up the economy. We already know that this virus has a long incubation period and asymptotic victims are vectors. There are going to be a lot more infected people because we open up our economy without enough testing and tracking.
 

Wes Mantooth

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When I was just out of boot camp and living on the training base people would order pizza occasionally. There were a few delivery drivers who were also RDCs (Navy version of drill instructors). The kids just out of boot camp got a good laugh out of having their former RDC delivering their pizza.

Anyway, it might be a second job for someone, might be whatever. When I was between jobs I eventually swallowed my pride and worked as a security guard at a mall.

Nobody needs extra sympathy. I think just basic respect and not prejudging them is enough.

EDIT: Honestly sorry for the pile-on Wes.

It wasn't as much the "poor life choices" statement that got under my skin but the description of how much "work" went into getting your delivery to you. In my working life I have NEVER seen pay directly correlate with how much "work" or especially how much effort a person has to do.

The delivery driver is providing a service. Your tip should represent how much you value that service and how much you value that service being done well vs poorly. I like the tipping system because at places I frequent I get treated better than average because I tip better than average (especially for Utah). It is well worth it to me. I like to reward the people who provide exceptional service and encourage people capable of providing that level of service to work in those jobs vs having walmart level service at my favorite restaurant.
That’s fair. I don’t mind the pile-on. I don’t even disagree with anything you’ve said.
 

dalamon

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You keep lumping all service jobs together. That’s hysterical.
You just haven't met enough service-working people, put simply. I took a cab (#vetoUber) a few months ago, and a kind man talked to me about how me drives the cab by day, and does pizza deliveries part time in the evenings. He was a university professor in India before he packed his bags with his family and moved here.

We see this line of argumentation when arguing about raises to minimum wage, with conservatives insisting that it's high school kids who will reap these benefits. No, it's primarily adults who do. And instead of shaming people who were born in horrific situations, and never had the opportunities to build "skills" that society values higher than making sandwiches or mopping floors-- maybe we should shame companies who are getting the lion's share of America's bailouts. It's a lens thing-- some have this lens of reflexively dignifying workers, and some have a lens that never ceases to punch down.

If this line of argumentation is really as reprehensible as what ****-for-brains conservatives say on the daily, then fair enough. I just think that saying "have empathy!" may be a less toxic mindset than whatever your racist-rolodex churns out from the typical Centrist Democrat or Republican
 

lauriandres

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You just haven't met enough service-working people, put simply. I took a cab (#vetoUber) a few months ago, and a kind man talked to me about how me drives the cab by day, and does pizza deliveries part time in the evenings. He was a university professor in India before he packed his bags with his family and moved here.
Why should somebody, who is clever enough to a have job as an university professor work as a cab driver or delivery man instead in a high end job at some proper company? Of course, today there are plenty of "universities" or faculties inside the proper university, where you can do or teach something which is not needed in real life. IMHO a professor job at the university in India should provide better living standard in India than driving a cab in USA or Canada.
 

JazzGal

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Wow, here's another complication of the virus.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...putated-coronavirus-complications/5160552002/

Nick Cordero's wife said the Broadway actor made it through surgery to have his right leg amputated because of complications from coronavirus.

Amanda Kloots shared Saturday night in an Instagram Story that she had just gotten "a call from the surgeon" following the procedure.

"He made it through the surgery, which is really big," Kloots said. "They're taking him back to the room to recover and rest for the rest of the night, so hopefully he'll just kind of relax and rest."

Kloots told followers earlier Saturday that she had received some "difficult news." She explained that blood thinners doctors were using to help with clotting in Cordero's leg were causing issues with his blood pressure and internal bleeding in his intestines.

"We took him off blood thinners but that again was going to cause some clotting in the right leg, so the right leg will be amputated," she said.

...

Kloots has been continuously keeping fans updated about her husband's ongoing battle with coronavirus.

On Thursday, she said her husband was taken off his ECMO, or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation machine.

She offered good and bad news for the Tony-nominated Broadway actor.

"The surgery went well. The doctor said for Nick's heart and lungs right now they are in the best condition that they could be," she said, adding that he is still on medication to pump his heart and a ventilator to breathe.



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JimLes

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IMHO a professor job at the university in India should provide better living standard in India than driving a cab in USA or Canada.
Unless you're Muslim, or LGBTQ, or not connected to the right political party, or want your kids to grow up in a decent country.
 

lauriandres

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Unless you're Muslim, or LGBTQ, or not connected to the right political party, or want your kids to grow up in a decent country.
I understand that; but i guess while being a taxi driver it is VERY DIFFICULT to raise and have decent life for kids, specially in USA? Probably little bit easier in Canada or in Europe. For example, ordinary teachers in elementary and high schools in Estonia are having a salary between 1000-2000 euros (which provides decent healthcare) depending on which classes-subject they teach and if they do additional tasks at schools etc. IMHO that provides a decent lifestyle in Estonia assuming your housing expenses are according to the income i.e you are not trying to live in villa. If you already have a qualification as a professor in classic university - why be a taxi driver elsewhere while you can be a teacher at either elementary- or high school or even at university.
 

JimLes

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If you already have a qualification as a professor in classic university - why be a taxi driver elsewhere while you can be a teacher at either elementary- or high school or even at university.
Because you're not looking for a better life for yourself. You're looking for a better life for your kids.
 

lauriandres

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Because you're not looking for a better life for yourself. You're looking for a better life for your kids.
Well, i doubt, that somebody, who teaches for example math or physics at some university in India (and speaks fluent english ) is not qualified enough to teach the same stuff in ordinary universities in North America and has to work as a taxi driver instead? I assume, that for example at the same region the salary of the taxi driver is much lower than at the university and therefore the life is not guaranteed to be better for kids?
Even my ex coworker who is an ordinary IT specialist like me was able to easily secure an IT job in San Antonio area … and went back to Australia to drive mining lorries at remote mines where salary was much higher than for IT job in USA.
 

JimLes

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I assume, that for example at the same region the salary of the taxi driver is much lower than at the university and therefore the life is not guaranteed to be better for kids?
Your assumption is very, very wrong. Most university instructors make less(way less) than cab drivers. Only tenured professors make real money. Instructors often make around minimum wage and have to work extra jobs in the summer.
 
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