Coronavirus in China

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  1. sirkickyass

    sirkickyass Moderator Emeritus Staff Member

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    So you're reading a thing it doesn't say. Got it.
     
  2. Eminence

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    Not everything needs to be lawyer speaked Kicky.

     
  3. infection

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    I’m providing you an accurate picture of what it indeed says. You read “we discussed that the benefits outweigh the risks for using _____” and that’s synonymous with your decision, else you’re explaining why you feel the benefits of treatment outweigh the risks, yet you’re declining intervention (without clarifying why). So if you’re wanting to believe this doesn’t say that, you’re welcome, but you can substitute out “hydroxychloroquine” for any other intervention and ask any other physician if that’s ambiguous language and they will tell you that they’re providing a rationale for their decision. This is routine.

    It's really easy to be vague about what's transpired in documentation. The question as to whether or not he prescribed (or concurred) with him taking hydrochloroquine is not vague in that. If he was wanting it to be vague, it wouldn't be written that way, because any physician would know that he's coming out rationalizing the decision.

    Here's my final thought: whether Trump was prescribed it or whether he is saying he was prescribed is no sweat off my back. I don't have any skin in the game on that. You've staked an opinion on it, so I'd assume that, to some level, you do. I'm offering you my professional experience on what that says, of which the outcome doesn't affect me. I've already given my not-so-enthusiastic opinion on prophylactic hydroxychloroquine. But if you're comfortable with your own interpretation, that seems to be more predicated on a lay interpretation of this physician's statement read through the lens of your view of Trump's motives, then you are certainly welcome to that.
     
  4. Scat

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    Kicky, that thing in your hands is your ***. Infection just handed it to you.
     
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  5. Political Jazz Fan

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    Great thread

     
  6. Political Jazz Fan

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  7. Political Jazz Fan

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    For those of you that don't understand this. This is talking about the Democrat Governor Cuomo in New York who put covid infected people into nursing homes. He then went on CNN to discuss Corona virus with his brother. His brother, who says he is a journalist, never once questioned his brother on this policy. Many people have died needlessly but Cuomo is not questioned because he's a Democrat.
     
  8. RandyForRubio

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    "I tested very positively. I tested very positively towards the negative."

    Our president is Michael Scott.
     
  9. Political Jazz Fan

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    Facts

     
  10. One Brow

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    Selectively and deceptively presented, but sure.
     
  11. One Brow

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    That sounds very much like the notes I read from time to time.

    My only question is if you feel the note almost certainly referred specifically to treating the President, or might have been referring to the member of the President's staff that tested positive. I found it unclear on that point, but I have never written these notes.
     
  12. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I haven’t been following this much, but my assumption is that this memo was put out in response to media coverage after Trump said he was taking it. With regard to what he’s saying, he specified the present with reference to health, negative testing to date, etc. If he’s referencing someone else, then detailing that he’s conferring with the president regarding that person’s treatment would be suicide. If it was for someone else, he’s disclosing medical information (whereas Trump personally disclosed his and obviously authorized this release). But, above that, I’m not certain why he would treat someone else with this, then write something vague to make it look like he treated Trump with this.
     
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  13. One Brow

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    Thank you.
     
  14. The Thriller

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    Biden sure is losing his mind. He doesn’t know what testing positively or negatively even mean.
     
  15. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Also old news discussed in here awhile ago.
     
  16. Zombie

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    Obligatory Sarah Cooper video:

     
  17. Avery

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    The situation in Brazil is pretty unnerving. Wouldn't shock me at all to see a higher death toll there than what we get here even though they're hardly testing anyone and their numbers are going to be way undercounted.

    Another example of where challenging medical authorities and doing whatever you want with no accountability just leads to trouble. It's entirely possible to save the economy and protect health, but it takes discipline to actually do.
     
  18. Wes Mantooth

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    Good thing the South reopened. Montgomery, Alabama has just one ICU bed available and is now sending everyone to Birmingham. The next month could become disastrous. Hopefully the sun and vitamin D really is some sort of elixir.
     
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  19. The Thriller

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    Roll tide!
     
  20. One Brow

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    After you have had a chance to go over the Lancet study that was released, I'd appreciate hearing if it has changed your position on the neutrality of administering CQ and/or HCQ.
     

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