Gameface

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264 cases today, quite high for a weekend.

That spring to summer heat doesn’t seem to be killing anything it would seem, but in Dr. Trump I trust.
last 4 days have all been higher than any previous day.
 

fishonjazz

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last 4 days have all been higher than any previous day.
Do we know if more tests are being administered as well? That in and if itself could produce more positive tests.
Last 4 says have been more people testing positive than any previous day. Have the last 4 days also produced the most negative tests as well I wonder?

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Gameface

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Do we know if more tests are being administered as well? That in and if itself could produce more positive tests.
Last 4 says have been more people testing positive than any previous day. Have the last 4 days also produced the most negative tests as well I wonder?

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The word a few days ago was that testing was slightly down.

The Saturday number represented a nearly 15% (I think it was 14.6%) positive rate on tests. The rate was previously dropping and was near 4% positive rate. So these numbers represent a significantly higher positive rate per test.
 

Joe Bagadonuts

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Do you believe that Trump tells more falsehoods than the average person Joe?
I believe that the vast majority of what people on the left call Trump's lies are not lies at all. To me they are purposeful misinterpretations of his words reconfigured as lies. An example is Trump speculating about the possibility of cleaning blood. Anti-Trumpers immediately conflated that statement with telling Americans to inject or drink bleach. He never said that. Meanwhile they ignore what appear to be obvious lies by guys like Chris Cuomo, Peter Strozck, James Comey, James Clapper, AOC, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. In the opinion of some people (you are apparently included in this group), if you hate Trump you are allowed to say whatever you want.
 

silesian

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I believe that the vast majority of what people on the left call Trump's lies are not lies at all. To me they are purposeful misinterpretations of his words reconfigured as lies. An example is Trump speculating about the possibility of cleaning blood. Anti-Trumpers immediately conflated that statement with telling Americans to inject or drink bleach. He never said that. Meanwhile they ignore what appear to be obvious lies by guys like Chris Cuomo, Peter Strozck, James Comey, James Clapper, AOC, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. In the opinion of some people (you are apparently included in this group), if you hate Trump you are allowed to say whatever you want.
Objectively there is no comparison. Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. It is his M/O. He knows nothing else. Mendacity

Anyhow, when your President tweets that "the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat" maybe the perpetual mendacity and complete void of integrity is the least of his problems.
 

silesian

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I believe that the vast majority of what people on the left call Trump's lies are not lies at all. .
Listen to the Lincoln Project and others with intellectual honesty from the right in a growing chorus joining the condemnation. And then the rats will continue jumping ship and 5 years from now no one will remember anyone who supported the carnival barker peddling snake oil. Those who believed him will feel foolish the rest of their lives.
 

Avery

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You have places like Spain today that had huge outbreaks but now get <100 cases a day and no deaths. For the entire country.

Our population is 7x compared to them, but it will be a long while before we could ever conceive of such stats.
 

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I believe that the vast majority of what people on the left call Trump's lies are not lies at all. To me they are purposeful misinterpretations of his words reconfigured as lies. An example is Trump speculating about the possibility of cleaning blood. Anti-Trumpers immediately conflated that statement with telling Americans to inject or drink bleach. He never said that. Meanwhile they ignore what appear to be obvious lies by guys like Chris Cuomo, Peter Strozck, James Comey, James Clapper, AOC, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. In the opinion of some people (you are apparently included in this group), if you hate Trump you are allowed to say whatever you want.

I mean he literally said "I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?"

If your entire point is that "disinfectant" could mean something besides bleach, I think you're doing a lot of work to say that people misrepresented what he said. Disinfectants, by definition are chemical agents designed to destroy microorganisms on inert surfaces. If you think there's a totally harmless disinfectant to inject and that makes shorthanding it as "bleach" fundamentally misleading I'm all ears.

But also, you are dodging the question. Do you think Trump lies more than the average person? This is a pretty simple yes or no.
 

stitches

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The word a few days ago was that testing was slightly down.

The Saturday number represented a nearly 15% (I think it was 14.6%) positive rate on tests. The rate was previously dropping and was near 4% positive rate. So these numbers represent a significantly higher positive rate per test.
Those %s are not good. 10% seems to be about the cut off where they consider you are testing enough people to have a good picture of how the virus is spreading. 15 is high. It's possible there is significant uncontrolled spread that's going undetected. Sample is still small though... lets see how it goes over the next several days. Might be just some weird blip or some concentrated epicenter with lots of cases being confirmed at the same spot.
 

silesian

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Show me a single statement where Trump advised people to inject bleach.
Who said that he said that?

I can show you hundreds where people have claimed that he said that.
I can show you tens of thousands of people who believe we never landed on the moon, that aliens live in their closet, that they speak to their dead spouse, that the earth is flat, that two penguins traveled from Antarctica to hop aboard Noah's ark before water magically appeared to put all land underwater.

Many people are dumb. If that is your only point, then we agree
 

silesian

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Show me a single statement where Trump advised people to inject bleach. I can show you hundreds where people have claimed that he said that.
Your claim was that this was being stated by everyone in the MS media. You provided an entire transcript which disproved your claim and proved that you were hearing things that no one was saying.
 

Joe Bagadonuts

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I mean he literally said "I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?"

If your entire point is that "disinfectant" could mean something besides bleach, I think you're doing a lot of work to say that people misrepresented what he said. Disinfectants, by definition are chemical agents designed to destroy microorganisms on inert surfaces. If you think there's a totally harmless disinfectant to inject and that makes shorthanding it as "bleach" fundamentally misleading I'm all ears.

But also, you are dodging the question. Do you think Trump lies more than the average person? This is a pretty simple yes or no.
Trump's quote sounded to me like speculation. He seemed to be wondering if there was a way to disinfect people. He didn't tell people to disinfect themselves. Those are completely different things. I agree that he has no business speculating in a press conference about such things, but he did not tell anyone to use bleach on themselves.

You are dodging my question regarding whether you care about lies told by liberals. I asked you long before you asked me and you have dodged it repeatedly. I assume you will keep dodging it. Regarding Trump, I think he is a narcissist, and I think you have to be very careful about anything that any narcissist says to you. They do not care about the truth in the way that the majority of people do. I also think Hillary, Obama and nearly every other person who I have seen run the gauntlet to the presidency since the advent of social media and 24 hour news-cycle has been. I think it is very unlikely that we will see any non-narcissist become president ever again. The reason is that the narcissist will tear them to shreds (just like Obama did with Romney). I don't think Carter was a narcissist. I don't think Reagan was either. They were from a different era, though.

Hillary is a far more careful liar than Trump, but she is at least as dangerous IMO. So my answer is that I do think Trump is less honest than the average person, but not less honest than the average presidential politician.
 

One Brow

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Trump's quote sounded to me like speculation. He seemed to be wondering if there was a way to disinfect people. He didn't tell people to disinfect themselves. Those are completely different things. I agree that he has no business speculating in a press conference about such things, but he did not tell anyone to use bleach on themselves.
Agreed.

I think it is very unlikely that we will see any non-narcissist become president ever again. The reason is that the narcissist will tear them to shreds (just like Obama did with Romney). I don't think Carter was a narcissist. I don't think Reagan was either. They were from a different era, though.
First, in order to even run for President, you have to have a pretty large amount of self-esteem, so this is all relative. I disagree on Reagan (definitely a narcissist) and Obama (didn't seem like one to me). However, I agree Romney, and as another recent Republican example, G. W. Bush, were not narcissistic.

Hillary is a far more careful liar than Trump, but she is at least as dangerous IMO. So my answer is that I do think Trump is less honest than the average person, but not less honest than the average presidential politician.
During the 2016 campaign, Clinton was more truthful by any reasonable measure. Trump is not only much less honest the average politician, but lies about completely stupid stuff to keep his ego inflated.
 
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