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Could ex-Jazzers beat our current team?

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Eenie-Meenie, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    Could ex-Jazzers beat our current team? And what does that say about management?

    Picture this starting lineup:

    DWill, Matthews, AK, Boozer, Koufos

    Maynor, RB, Korver, CJ, KHump as reserves

    RPrice, Fes

    Revise this a little to what we could have had: Keep Millsap after trading Boozer, trading CJ or RB (probably CJ), drafting or signing a defensive Center, PG (releasing RPrice), and another 3-point shooter -- and we have a team that could be contending rather than what we do have.

    This might be more in the realm of fantasy because salary implications are not figured in. But it kind of shows how things became screwed up when we let Matthews walk, leading to DWill disenchantment, Jerry being P-O'd -- both of those are facts -- and the tensions increasing between Jerry and DWill, and the team falling apart and needing to rebuild on the fly with a new coach. I believe it all started with letting Matthews walk. I wonder how things might've been different if Larry had been alive to make the decision whether or not to pay Matthews.

    This whole scenario has really eroded my interest in the Jazz because I was strongly against the move to let Matthews walk, against letting Maynor go, wanted to trade Boozer and promote Millsap early on -- maybe getting a new coach but not the second coming of Jerry. Imagine if we got D'Antoni and how that would've made DWill even better, because D'Antoni would've reinforced DWill's skills, allowed for a more freelance style that would've been good for AK, and provided us with a very exciting team. It's all pure fantasy now. I wonder though how it would've been if Larry had still been with us.
     
  2. Scorpjazz

    Scorpjazz Well-Known Member

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    Huh? Didnt we pretty much have that lineup and didnt win it all? I like the way our future can look if we make a few more SMART choices. No thanks on the road we traveled already.
     
  3. MVP

    MVP Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but OP question was are we any better then that? Potential looks nice, but former Jazzmen would crush current team in playoffs series 4-0 or 4-1 at best.
     
  4. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but teams get better by playing together for a stretch of time -- like the Spurs. You just add complementary pieces. If we had traded Boozer and slid Millsap in his place and made some shrewd complementary moves, we would've had a better team than the one that went to Conference finals.
     
  5. GVC

    GVC Well-Known Member

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    That team's locked into mediocrity far more than the current Jazz team. Whether they'd beat the current Jazz roster is irrelevant.
     
  6. GVC

    GVC Well-Known Member

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    Prime Duncan-Manu-Parker(-Robinson) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DWill-Boozer-AK.
     
  7. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    This


    I will take our current roster with all of the excitement, hope, anticipation and potential that they bring...... now if they could just get lots of playing time.

    I was at the game last night and saw a lineup with hayward, burks, kanter, and favors all on the court at the same time, and i was so excited and happy in that moment. I think it was the first time they were all the court together (at least that i can remember)

    If we ever get to a point when all 4 of them plus a good young point guard are all starting together (maybe next year) then i dont think anything in the last 15 years of my jazz fandom could top that.

    i liked memo, dwill, AK, and boozer core quite a bit.... but compared to my excitement for our young core it is not even close.
     
  8. Scorpjazz

    Scorpjazz Well-Known Member

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    Exactly this...who cares if they could beat the current team? Could that team win it all? NO, I want a GOD DAMN ring someday...potential is better than knowing you wont win one..
     
  9. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Yup.
     
  10. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    And what the **** is a "Jazzer" anyway?
     
  11. dalamon

    dalamon Well-Known Member

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  12. fgcamel

    fgcamel Well-Known Member

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    doesn't matter who they're playing. is it a home game?
     
  13. CitizenofCapua

    CitizenofCapua Well-Known Member

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    Is he playing the point?
     
  14. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    The former are finished product that when on this team where going nowhere beyond the second round, and a 5th seed in the playoffs.

    This team is still very young and raw, and should be getting another pick from the D-Will trade, also we should have money to spend. I don't think Sap and Al will be here beyond this year. Lindsey and KOC are not done building this team. Think back to Derons rookie year. Deron had a hard time getting minutes at times, Boozer and Memo were still young and inexperienced. That team just missed the playoffs. That team grew into a team that always seemed to grab the 5th seed and would get to the second round. It's yet to be seen what this team will become.

    As far as those players being better, sure, but only because of Deron, and he wasn't going to stay with the Jazz anyway.
     
  15. carolinajazz

    carolinajazz Well-Known Member

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    .....I think Stockton and Malone and ........3 Walmart "greeters" could beat this Jazz team!
     
  16. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    It's when they're not jizzing Numbnuts
     
  17. Hartsock

    Hartsock Banned

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    the original post is rooted in idiocy. "Salary implications are not figured in" Well thats pretty damn important believe it or not. If only the management could get and keep any player they wanted regardless of salary, man the Jazz would be real good. Golly jeez louise !!
     
  18. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    Of course, like many others on this site, people tend to engage in hyperbole. Of course salary is important and that's why I mentioned it. However, for those who want to examine that issue, let them do it. We could easily, for example, see how the payroll for that ex-Jazz players would stack up with our current one, and I suspect it would be higher, but I am not sure.

    The point is that we have made some poor decisions in managing our players and it has made me lose faith in the Jazz organization.
     
  19. GVC

    GVC Well-Known Member

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    You'd really rather have that team than the current one? I'll stick with our youth and draft picks over a treadmill team. Your argument is sorta terrible.
     
  20. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    I didn't say we gut our present entire team -- but we still could've had the core of the old team with new additions to fortify it. Who knows what draft picks we might've gotten or free agents. It's difficult to say, but I wouldn't mind having a good many of our former players back -- DWill, Matthews, and AK, just for starters, then you have KHump, Maynor, Korver, and maybe Koufos and RBrewer. Everyone of them is a solid NBA player.

    Teams get better when players play together for a longer time. Stock and Malone are proof of that, and the Celtics of old, and the Spurs of today.
     

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