DL certainly has dodged some bullets recently

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  1. Jazz4ever

    Jazz4ever Well-Known Member

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    Hill would have been such a horrific contract at 80 million for 4 years. Watching the Cavs he is now pitifully slow, can't even get into the lane.

    Hood obviously we don't know if one was offered or not but I think at least 12m a year was floated in their preliminary meetings and Hood's camp decided it wasn't close enough to talk much more on. He looks like a 4m a year player.

    Is DL a good GM, yes, but he also has been getting some lucky breaks lately.
     
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  2. infection

    infection Well-Known Member 2018 Award Winner

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    The other side of the coin is that we’d have to look at his unlucky breaks, too.
     
  3. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    Quin also screwed the pooch on Hood, raising his expectations that he would be an alpha on offense. Which is not remotely in his DNA. I think this hurt Rodney's mindset (not his strength in any case), where he sees himself as a Tier 2 (top 40ish) player when in reality best case is Tier 3 (above average starter), realistic case below that. Now he needs to adjust expectations and get his head screwed on straight.
     
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  4. gregbroncs

    gregbroncs Well-Known Member

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    How did Quin screw the pooch? He asked a guy to step up and play a more important role on the team, when said guy was coming up for a possible huge raise. That guy failed at doing that thereby saving the team from making a huge mistake and actually paying the player in question like he could become that guy. His attitude after he failed is the most likely reason he was shipped out of town, that's all on him. He put himself in a worse spot because he couldn't keep his ego in check.
     
  5. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member

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    So has Danny Ainge... the warriors did too... it requires luck and skill... but if you can have just one... choose luck
     
  6. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Maybe it’s just me but I take another two things away from all of this.

    1. There is something wrong with the Cavs organization. In addition to Hill and Hood I’d also hold up Crowder as a further example.

    2. This is to make Utah look good. Utah Crowder, Hill and Hood were mountains better than Cavs/Kong’s Hill, Hood and Crowder. We have a way of getting the most out of our guys.
     
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  7. TheStormofWar

    TheStormofWar Well-Known Member

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    Quin's systems have ways of covering up weaknesses. Mostly, it requires a good BBall IQ and doing the right things off of screens. That said, it's not something easily picked up (Example A: Ricky Rubio). That's why I have faith Crowder will get it next year. He doesn't have to jack up shots. Just the good ones and the ball will get to him. He was damn good in Boston because of the system and because Stevens knew how to use him in those confines. But playing in Coach LeBron's system does take the **** out of you and can be a bit hard to de-program. I will give it time.
     
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  8. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    I strongly disagree with the removal of the dislike button. It served a real purpose. Now, the only way for me to say that a post is completely incorrect is to write another post. In this case, Quin did exactly what he should have done. Does Siselian really believe that the better strategy would have been to coddle Hood so that we had to pay him big money at the end of the season... only to discover (as we learned because of Quin's supposed pooch screwing) that he lacks the makeup to play the role we need. Do you honestly wish Mitchell had been stuck behind Hood for the entire season?
     
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  9. Jazz Spazz

    Jazz Spazz Inconceivable Staff Member

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    Yea, that was one of Jason's unlucky breaks. On the flip side, we should also look at his lucky breaks.
     
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  10. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it's called LeBron dominating every decision. He hasn't really earned the right, but he's been born with the talent to take that right. Bye Irving, see you next season after you blow us out without Haywood too, and how we barely squeezed out the Pacers series, LOL.


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    As far as Rodney goes, people here need to stop being Jr high bitches and leave him be instead of this stupid asinine over-analyzing every ****ing part of his development, QS & DL's growth strategy, and what he's become. Many of you are completely stupid AF spoiled fans that don't know a damn thing and need to shut your pie holes and learn how becoming an adult and realize what growth in a career actually entails. There isnt one golden path, you patsie *** morans. But there is a generic framework for becoming a productive adult. That framework gets modified as necessary based on personal difficulties, so **** off Hood/DL/QS bitchers; Utah utilizes that framework. Remember Sloan saying he would hug Andre on John Stockten street if that's what it took to make amends?
     
  11. silesian

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    Yeah I was clearly advocating that we coddle Hood, pay Hood big money, and bench Mitchell behind Hood. Because I said all of those things.

    I hope you enjoy making **** up and then arguing against the points you have fabricated or imagined. Is it good drugs or does this come naturally?
     
  12. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    Just because Hood is responsible for the failure does not mean that he was coached perfectly. I'm a huge QS fan but I don't fall into the "he's great therefore he is perfect" minion category.

    In fact, I'd be willing to wager that Quin realizes that he asked Hood to do things that were beyond his reach. The dude does not have the skills or the mentality to be a team's go-to scorer. If you still believe he does, then god bless you. And that is what he was being asked to do, which was a mistake.

    I'm not saying he should not be pushed and asked to do more, as you incorrectly imply. I'm saying that the expectations and goals need to be achievable and carefully managed. It's called leadership.
     
  13. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    I apologize for misunderstanding you. Please explain how Quin screwed the pooch. What should he have done?
     
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  14. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    At the beginning of the season the Jazz were a team with a gaping void at the number one option. By the end of the season the Jazz were a team that had completely solved that particular problem. I'm very impressed with QS and his staff for accomplishing that. I think what they did was the opposite of screwing the pooch.
     
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  15. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    You may be taking a narrow observation and overgeneralizing it to an entire season.

    They could have accomplished all the things you mention while managing Hood's expectations more effectively.

    Just to make the point with an extreme example, you wouldn't say to Neto "we need you to be a lockdown wing defender" Or go to Favors and ask him to be a vocal team leader. It is outside their range.
     
  16. infection

    infection Well-Known Member 2018 Award Winner

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    The offense was a vacuum. By default, you’re going to have a guy that gets relied on more than others, and Hood became that default guy. I’m not really seeing what the alternative was.
     
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  17. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, good question.

    In my opinion, he should not have built up Hood's expectations that he should be an elite/ All-Star scorer. Some guys respond well to audacious challenges like this. But I don't think it is the best way to get the most out of Rodney. I would have set specific measurable goals on improving his game, but without the extreme expectations of him becoming something akin to the next Klay Thompson.

    PS: Perhaps "screwed the pooch" was a bit of hyperbole.
     
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  18. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. My comment is more about managing expectations and less about usage rates.
     
  19. Gobzilla

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    I couldn't be happier that Quin asked Rodney to step his game up. It helped the team realize that Hood is nowhere near what we thought he could be and he isn't worth a spot on the roster at all. So happy this happened so they could not only get rid of him, but get Crowder in return for him.
     
  20. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    Yep, asking him to step up his game was a good thing, as was the outcome for the Jazz.
     
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