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Do you still want to see Big Al shipped?

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by JazzyD, Jan 16, 2013.

Keep Big Al or not?

  1. Yes, I would like to retain him, paying him his current salary

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  2. No way!

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    48.6%
  3. Yes, but for less money

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  4. Foye is fools gold!

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  1. JazzyD

    JazzyD Active Member

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    I for one, wouldn't mind seeing us sign him for a 3-4 year extension. Given the fact that he doesn't make as much as he is currently getting paid. He has continued to improve every year since coming over. IMO, he is no longer a black hole. His defense is still lacking, but, Favors/Kanter playing aside him could mask his inabilities/ lack of caring. I just want to see how everyone feels about keeping him. Remember as you vote, the Jazz will never get a big free agent to come here.
     
  2. JazzyD

    JazzyD Active Member

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    FWIW, Foye really is fools gold!
     
  3. ONE LOVE

    ONE LOVE PROUD SUPPORTER Moderator

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    Yes I want to see him gone.

    But reality is Greg would rather keep him to sell tickets.
     
  4. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    I want to se us become a more divers offense, and that's not happening with Al. Kanter and Favors are the future, and that's not happening with Al staying. I want to see Hayward develop into the player the jazz lean on to set up the offense, but that's not happening with Al hear. I want the jazz to take the next step, and become a contender, that's not happening with Al anchoring the team.

    I'm not one of those posters that can't ever give credit to the big guy, but Al resigning to me does more harm then good for the future of this team.
     
  5. LjJazzman

    LjJazzman Well-Known Member

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    I want Al here and Sap gone.
     
  6. gregbroncs

    gregbroncs Well-Known Member

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    I'd rather keep Al than Sap. But I'd really rather have both of them gone if they make more than 8-9 M a year. Which they both will. So gone it is.
     
  7. MoTappin

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    Al OR Sap should be gone to let Favors start. I say Al should go, because I'm more attached to Sap, since he's been here so long. But then, I really want Favors as PF preferably, not C. Since Paul plays the 4, I guess that way it makes more sense to ship him off to make room instead of Al. But I still like Sap better and Al's defense stinks way worse.

    I think I'm getting whiplash. :p Bottom line though is that Favors needs 30+mpg. They need to make this happen because if he's unhappy and we lose him, we're in trouble.
     
  8. dipship31

    dipship31 Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking about this the other night and I honestly couldn't think of a single scenario in which I'd like to keep Al for any amount of money. As long as he is on the roster either Favors, Kanter, or possibly both will always be underdeveloped. At least keeping Paul has other options like occasionally having him at the 3 or having him off the bench. Something Al can't do in either instance.
     
  9. Stoked

    Stoked Modstapo Moderator

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    Id rather keep Sap than big Al as he compliments Favors and Kanter more than Big Al. However I think Sap is gone no matter what and Big Al is willing to stay.
     
  10. Hedda Gambler

    Hedda Gambler Active Member

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    I haven`t done the numbers myself, but doesn`t Paul`s numbers look really bad when he`s playing without Al on the floor?

    In theory, Favors` defence and Al`s offence should compliment each other perfectly. It would also give room for Enes to be the primary back up for both positions, giving him a lot of playing time.
     
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  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I chose yes to keeping him but at alot less money..... but after reading all the comments, i dont know what the hell i was thinking and would like to change my vote to "no way"

    Lately i have been hating Al less and less cause it seems like he isn't dominating the ball as much and he seems to be trying to rebound and play defense better..... But for me to be happy with him on this team he would need to be making like 6 million a year and playing maybe 20 minutes off the bench (since i love kanter and favors) and that will never happen so i dont want to re-sign him.
     
  12. Catchall

    Catchall Well-Known Member

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    I could live with Al, Favs and Kanter each averaging 32 mins/game in a 3-man PF/C rotation, if we can sign Al to a reasonable deal. Then I might trade Al in a year or so depending on whether Kanter makes him redundant. Although Al has his shortcomings, I think the Jazz are really being held back by not having a real PG and consistent play on the wings. If we upgrade the backcourt with a real PG and get consistency out of Hayward/Burks and the SF spot, I think Al could fit right in.

    Al could be a Lamar Odom-like 6th man on a championship team, or even a starting PF on a championship team. He needs a defensive big playing behind him to help when he gets beat on the pick-and-roll, but we have one in Favors.
     
  13. Catchall

    Catchall Well-Known Member

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    Mmmmm.....I think I'd rather trade out Al, play the young players, and get a difference-maker like Anthony Bennett in the lottery this year.

    There are two questions here from my perspective: a) Not if, but when should we trade Al? b) How are we going to get another potential All Star on this team?

    I like trading Al, giving Kanter and Favors more minutes, taking losses and getting one of the elite bigs or the top PG in the upcoming draft.
     
  14. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Moderator Moderator

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    Sap will probably cost more but who knows maybe Big Al's stock is rising.

    I see advanatages, and disadvantages to both. We really won't know how it plays out until one is gone.
    I say we just base it on whoever is cheaper, and go forward
     
  15. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Agreed..... we keep whoever is cheaper, or whoever fetches less return in a trade.
     
  16. Brown Notes

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    Didn't expect to see this thread until March.

    BN Backseat GM would try to trade Sap for Calderon or Sessions and extend Al as cheap and frontloaded as possible with the mutual understanding that he is not guaranteed to start.
     
  17. Catchall

    Catchall Well-Known Member

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    I think everyone in the league, outside of Jazzfanz, thinks Al is more valuable than Millsap.
     
  18. Catchall

    Catchall Well-Known Member

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    We need to find a team that's desperate to compete and make their star player happy. That's the kind of team we'd trade Al Jefferson to. Kind of like Portland sending Gerald Wallace to Brooklyn for the lotto pick that became Damian Lillard.

    Find a team in the lottery who has a big-name player about to become a free agent who might leave if that team doesn't improve--Dallas, Lakers, etc.

    Also find a team that could lose a big-name free agent--Philadelphia (Bynum), Atlanta (Josh Smith), etc.

    Or, send Al Jefferson to Toronto for a bad contract (Bargnani) and their lottery pick this year. I'd trade Al Jefferson and the GSW pick for Calderon and a Toronto's lotto pick.

    Maybe we do a 3-way trade that sends Al to Boston, sends Rondo somewhere, and gives the Jazz a lotto pick and a player from that third team.
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2013
  19. GVC

    GVC Well-Known Member

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    jazzfanz are in the league?

    If you mean fans, that's almost definitely not true. Past threads on realgm come out easily in favor of Millsap fwiw.
     
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  20. Gyp Rosetti

    Gyp Rosetti Banned

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    Jefferson's our best player by a mile. How anyone wouldn't want to retain him is beyond me.
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2013

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