Does KOC's lack of moving players grow our rage for them?

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Mission Accomplished, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    I have started to see a pattern. I don't start will disliking on the verge of hating guys until we miss that window to trade them and KOC holds on to them. This has happened time after time and our new problem is Big Al. When players don't fit he needs to move them before they become an anchor or an anger point to the fans. I like Big Al but watching him as he doesn't fit our system is making me focus on his flaws an use him as the scapegoat. Same thing happened with Bell when he clearly wasn't living up the his or our expectations instead of moving him KOC held him until he became a cancer. Same with Bozo the clown when the team was moving better with Millsap in the lineup. KOC held on to him. I understand that we aren't getting back the talent that we would want in moving these players. But, heck we already have a good supporting cast and we could move them for picks and potential players.

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  2. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    I really don't think KOC gives a **** what the fans think about a player.
     
  3. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    Fair but it seems to stymie the team. Avid fan support is what makes small market teams powerhouses see Green Bay. He should care because it is all about the bottom line in all things.
     
  4. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Nah, I think Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers get the credit there.

    The New Orleans Saints have probably had top 10 fan support throughout their history, but were still one of the worst teams before they got Drew Brees.
     
  5. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I wonder if koc would care if the jazz as an organization started seeing less money coming in because fans stopped purchasing tickets and merchandise as much.
     
  6. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    The small % of people that hate Al Jefferson that much isn't going to make a difference. The only thing KOC cares about is winning. He is going to make the move that he thinks is going to result in wins, not popularity.
     
  7. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    Like I said it isn't about Al Jefferson he could be a great player on a team that he fits. He doesn't fit the Jazz not the style we are playing this year. He has expiring assets year after year that are valuable and he sits on them.
     
  8. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Do you think koc only cares about winning now? or do you think he tries to anticipate what might make the team better in the future too?
     
  9. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

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    I make trades all the damn time on Madden '93. I wonder why KOC doesn't do just like me. He should have an awesome defensive line by now what a failolololol
     
  10. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    A GM needs to make personal moves that fit what the coach is trying to do and that fit with the other players on the team. That is why the Dwight Howard in a Lakers uni isn't working out. He is a poor fit for that style of players.
     
  11. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    A combination of both I'm sure, but I don't think he feels that having young players play right away is super important. He has said numerous times in interviews that having minutes that count is more valuable (in his eyes) than a bunch of young players playing for a losing team.
     
  12. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    I can sit in a big chair and say "no" to everything guess that would make me a good GM or maybe a Republican ;P
     
  13. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Thanks for a good answer to my dumb question.... I was mostly just trolling when i asked if you think Koc cares about making the team better for the future. (obviously he does). Sorry for the trolling.
     
  14. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    no he's not. The coach they hired, and his system don't fit the players, namely Kobe and Gasol. Also consider that Steve Nash has been out all year who would help Howard thrive.
     
  15. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    Well, what about a mix of the both. At the same time he could make moves like moving Big Al to let the rest of the players touch the ball more. Or have a better mentor on the defensive side for our young bigs. Great we some game make the playoffs barely then get swept. Just like teams that never change mainly the Bucks, 76ers, Hawks, old Sonics, and Houston. Until these team some of these teams woke up and made the hard moves to get rid of those players that keep them stuck in mediocrity. Heck you could say the Dwill move was one that got us off of that pattern. Then KOC fills back up the cupboards with players that are out to get their like Big Al and Raja.
     
  16. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    The GM hires the coach. If Nash comes back an they still suck are you going to eat crow??
     
  17. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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  18. TheSilencer1313

    TheSilencer1313 Well-Known Member

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    Talk about a significant downgrade for the Jazz with that trade. Not to mention Beno isn't even close to the player Tinsley is, and Tinsley plays for about 5 million a year less.
     
  19. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    We just played without Big Al and our team looked great it is called addition by subtraction. Dalebert would just be a defensive loaner for a year. His minutes aren't what is important getting the young guys on the court is. Next who care about Tinsley he is the third pg. Again Udrih is a loaner. We could even press to get Edoh. Just saying if you want the young kids to grow they need to touch the ball. If Big Al is on the court we turn to him to do everything the offense gets stagnant the defense nonexistent. I don't see how this that bad of a trade.
     
  20. TheSilencer1313

    TheSilencer1313 Well-Known Member

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    I think the rest of us would be with you on this if the Jazz didn't just blow out a team that has 4 wins all season. Not to mention we went absolutely nutso from the arc, and Toronto's defense was absolutely horrible.
     

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