DOL on 1280--The Consequences of Standing Pat

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Great interview of Dennis O'Lindsey on 1280 this afternoon.

It seems like there is a new message--"We could stand pat with our roster."

He explained that standing pat with their roster is not a popular notion because of the pressure to make changes, but if they do stand pat and it doesn't work out he will take the pressure because that is his job and that is okay.

He also emphasized several times that Jazz want to be known as a franchise that does not give up on players. That they want to show a commitment to players and be known in the league as a franchise that is committed to helping players develop. He mentioned draftees, undrafted free agents, former draftees that didn't work out with other teams and d-league call ups --as players they don't want to give up on.

He said that this will create a reputation around the league, and it will attract players to the Jazz.


I couldn't help but think of Trey when he talked about not giving up on players. I also thought of Marquis Teague, who was in for the FA camp last week, when he talked about former draft picks that didn't work out on other teams.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I think Quin likes Trey also. Even though he benched him, he always speaks favorably of him. I can see them hoping to get the most out of him. I hope that they need him or his contract as an asset to make a trade work. I just don't see him as having much upside. Maybe he blows up this year, and takes the next step. . . but I doubt it. If he still has any positive trade value, I hope they maximize it soon.

 

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something else that made impression on me is when he stressed several times how 'THRILLED' they were with the work Dante is putting in this off-season... I hope it pays off big time.

 

[Hotdog]

Ya, I expect Trey back as well, and I think he'll be a better player too. I don't think he's the greatest, but not as down on him as everyone is. I think he had some bright spots last year..

There really isn't a whole to do with the roster tbh... We have a lot of promise at every position. Just because they haven't all become allstars yet, doesn't mean they are done developing.


Just draft Kaminsky and let's go... That would be filling about the only hole we have and he's ready.

Maybe add a wing like KJ McDaniels, but it might not be necessary because we have a lot of good wings.


I really like the team. I wouldn't make a bunch of changes if I were GM.

 

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something else that made impression on me is when he stressed several times how 'THRILLED' they were with the work Dante is putting in this off-season... I hope it pays off big time.

yes, I forgot to mention he was selling Dante big time.

Also minimizing Gobert a bit. At-least compared to how Gobert is talked about around here.

DOL said they can't be just good at_________ they need to be great at it.

Did anyone catch what it was the Jazz need to be great at?

 

[BENTLEY]

I love DL but man, his drawl is like a lullaby. I keep jolting back awake wondering what I missed. So I rewind the playback and the whole process repeats itself.


Thank you to all who did a recap.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think its quite possible that Trey is more most improved player next year. He is a pg going into year three. Trading Trey right now is kind of a bad idea. There is a good chance he gets much better this next season.

 

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yes, I forgot to mention he was selling Dante big time.

Also minimizing Gobert a bit. At-least compared to how Gobert is talked about around here.

DOL said they can't be just good at_________ they need to be great at it.

Did anyone catch what it was the Jazz need to be great at?

Not only getting each player better but also connecting it back to the group... I think he was talking about growing as a team(chemistry, fit, etc) while developing the individual players.

https://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20150615_061515_lindsey-WEB.mp3

The part is at about 5:30

 

[Avery]

Any strong business organization adheres to this same mentality. It costs money to bring people in, train them and see what they have rather than just throwing the towel in because they're not a star and selling jerseys. You can't have high attrition/turnover yet maintain a stable environment.

I do think there will be some bottom roster churn as guys like Cooley have a limited ceiling, but I think the picks we make will all be domestic guys who make the roster or they don't. Pleiss, Tomic, Neto might be popular as guys you stash as an asset, but you can't just collect them forever and let them sit like a box in the basement of crap that you got a good deal on that you really don't have a use for.

I really appreciate that the front office has brought so many guys in; in the long term, a plane ticket and a hotel room is a cheap investment to kick the tires on a lot of guys who many teams might cast off into the land of misfit toys whereas we want to take that resentment and rage and channel it into a player who wants to show every other team that they ****ed up.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Translation: We'd love move trey to improve the team, but we're probably stuck with him for now.

 

[Jazz and Utes]

I feel like all we need is another solid big to come off the bench, health and time together and we are a playoff team now and championship in future years...I love our starting lu Exum/Burks/Hayward/Favors/Gobert ...... add in Burke (who is still young, not every player hits their prime in the first few years some guys take time), Hood who could easily be one of the best 3 pt shooters in the NBA (I think he's deadly and almost automatic on catch and shoot situations, but not very good off the dribble...same goes for Exum) add in #12 pick and good role players like Millsap and Booker really all we need is more continuity and chemistry

 

[NUMBERICA]

Standing pat after they draft a good big, sign Carroll, and trade Trey for whatever sounds great to me.

 

[♪alt13]

I feel like all we need is another solid big to come off the bench, health and time together and we are a playoff team now and championship in future years...I love our starting lu Exum/Burks/Hayward/Favors/Gobert ...... add in Burke (who is still young, not every player hits their prime in the first few years some guys take time), Hood who could easily be one of the best 3 pt shooters in the NBA (I think he's deadly and almost automatic on catch and shoot situations, but not very good off the dribble...same goes for Exum) add in #12 pick and good role players like Millsap and Booker really all we need is more continuity and chemistry

I disagree. We need depth on the wing and we don't necessarily need another big other than injury insurance. We need more shooters more than we need another big.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Standing pat after they draft a good big, sign Carroll, and trade Trey for whatever sounds great to me.

I would much rather the Jazz draft a 3 and d player instead of paying max or near max to Carroll and sign a serviceable big man in FA to be our back up center. We can get one of those in FA for a reasonable deal and will be better than a big man we can draft next year. Most bigs are not helpful for a few years let along their rookie year. Although if Jazz see potential in one of the bigs and want to let him develop than we could draft one and stand pat since we have plenty of depth at the wing. Hayward, Hood, Burk, Milsap and Ingles are more than enough for us at wing.

I also would much rather keep Trey. He is going to be better this year. It is pretty rare a PG doesnt make a big jump going into year three. Wait until his value is higher or more likely he will be a perfect backup PG next season. People want to dump him for a second round pick or a late first. He is worth more than that. Jazzfanz have to hate someone though.

 

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I disagree. We need depth on the wing and we don't necessarily need another big other than injury insurance. We need more shooters more than we need another big.

How about a big who can shoot and space the floor? Kaminsky, Turner, Looney?

 

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How about a big who can shoot and space the floor? Kaminsky, Turner, Looney?

Do the Jazz improve more by upgrading Ingles in our wing rotation or Booker in our big rotation? I'm actually ok with booker being a part of the rotation for the next few years. If I was DL I would certainly try and bring him back for an additional 3-4 year on a reasonable deal. I'm less enthusiastic about Ingles and baby Sap. I think we can get immediate and long term improvement by upgrading there.

The idea that all this team needs is another big is flawed imo. That doesn't mean that I am opposed to getting another big or upgrading if that's the bpa in the draft or we get a good trade offer. It just isn't our only need or even our most pressing one.

 

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It won't be Booker that we upgrade... it will be Cooley/Evans...

 

[♪alt13]

It won't be Booker that we upgrade... it will be Cooley/Evans...

Neither one of those dudes were part of the rotation.

So we are going to upgrade guys that only played garbage mins? That is our pressing need?

Also: I feel like you have missed the basic context of my post by maybe not reading the post it was in response to. I think that if you read that post my post will make perfect sense to you. At least it should.

 

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Neither one of those dudes were part of the rotation.

So we are going to upgrade guys that only played garbage mins? That is our pressing need?

Also: I feel like you have missed the basic context of my post by maybe not reading the post it was in response to. I think that if you read that post my post will make perfect sense to you. At least it should.

Think of the way the season started, not the way it finished. The regular rotation was 4 bigs - Enes, Favors, Gobert, Booker... The reason Cooley and Evans played less is because they were bad, not because we didn't need another big. Ideally we would have at least 4 bigs that are playable at any given moment. I would say Evans and Cooley are not playable if we want to win games in the long run.

 

[♪alt13]

Neither one of those dudes were part of the rotation.

So we are going to upgrade guys that only played garbage mins? That is our pressing need?

Also: I feel like you have missed the basic context of my post by maybe not reading the post it was in response to. I think that if you read that post my post will make perfect sense to you. At least it should.

I'll do it for you.

I feel like all we need is another solid big to come off the bench, health and time together and we are a playoff team now and championship in future years...I love our starting lu Exum/Burks/Hayward/Favors/Gobert ...... add in Burke (who is still young, not every player hits their prime in the first few years some guys take time), Hood who could easily be one of the best 3 pt shooters in the NBA (I think he's deadly and almost automatic on catch and shoot situations, but not very good off the dribble...same goes for Exum) add in #12 pick and good role players like Millsap and Booker really all we need is more continuity and chemistry

Now go back and reread the last page. Keep your eyes peeled for statements like "more than" and words like "necessarily".

Think of the way the season started, not the way it finished. The regular rotation was 4 bigs - Enes, Favors, Gobert, Booker... The reason Cooley and Evans played less is because they were bad, not because we didn't need another big. Ideally we would have at least 4 bigs that are playable at any given moment. I would say Evans and Cooley are not playable if we want to win games in the long run.

You are arguing with yourself now. I have already acknowledged that we need someone else at least for injury insurance. I have further said that if we get a better opportunity to upgrade a big than another position that we should do it. Do you agree with tfivas' statement? Does mine make a little more sense to you now? Do you understand how less than/more than works?