Favors in the playoffs

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Lattimer, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Lattimer

    Lattimer Well-Known Member

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    I came across this in another thread somewhere and it just made me happy and then angry that he's is still rotting on our bench most of the game.

    [video=youtube;rx3yuIj-9gQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx3yuIj-9gQ[/video]

    Damn you KOC and Lindsey.
     
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  2. orangello

    orangello Well-Known Member

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    Fixed.
     
  3. Favors Flave

    Favors Flave Well-Known Member

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    Not only Millsap, but Favors play better with a sleeve. BRING OUT TEH SLEEVES! ITZ CORBINZ FAULT! FIRE KOC!
     
  4. Gas

    Gas Well-Known Member

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    Favors doesnt play because his offense still has a lot of issues. He seems to have some skill but cant put it together. He makes a lot of mistakes still. Turnovers, Fouls, bad decisions, . He basically is still very raw mentally. His defense is great, but around here, its offense that keeps you on the court. Even though we always here how important defense is.
     
  5. NAOS

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    Until Favors can unwrap a starburst in his mouth he doesn't deserve to average more than 23 minutes a game.
     
  6. Weezur

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    Damn, I didn't even watch part of the playoffs........wanna know why?
    In one of the Favors highlights, the score was 49-83.
    And then when the youngsters/bench brought the team back in the game, Ty would put the starters back in....rep for posting this.

    EDIT- Watched the whole video.....yeah I'm pretty depressed about the Jazz now. He should be starting.
     
  7. salo

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    he's not rotting on the bench. he's our first big off the bench and growing nicely in the role as evidenced by defensive impact, an improved confidence and many more trips to the foul line.
    he would probably foul out in the minutes people around here would like him to be playing.
     
  8. Lattimer

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    Favors has started about ten games in his career. How many times did he foul out of those.

    He is rotting. In his third year in the league is still right at his career mpg of 21. Does his role increase with good play? Nope. He gets the same minutes every night. Meanwhile other teams are playing their lottery picks and they are growing while the Jazz piss theirs off and let them rot.

    We traded our all star for essentially him. Wtf is this team doing. He is in his third year. 21 mpg is inexcusable and unacceptable.

    If I'm him i take the qualifying offer from the Jazz to play 1 year. Play careful or have a "nagging injury" keep me out a lot of the year and leave this team and sign with a team that won't waste me away behind mediocre vets.

    I'm pissed right now and have been this whole season tbh. In case nobody noticed.
     
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  9. Lattimer

    Lattimer Well-Known Member

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    Yes he should.

    And trust me he knows it. He doesn't want to give media a story by getting pissed but as a man of few words he's said enough.

    He has really only said something about it like twice. I remember the media asking about him starting in this upcoming year and that the Jazz had mentioned this possibly happening this year.

    He said " yeah, they said that last year" or something along those lines. Trust me he's sick of it.
     
  10. Lattimer

    Lattimer Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand this argument. Al is not an efficient offensive player. With how much Favors gets to the line I bet their offensive production is about equal when you look at games that Favors started for Al. I can think of the GSW game last year, sixers one and a few others.

    Al might be able to get you 20 pts but he takes 20 shots to do it. Is there ANY evidence that Favors couldn't get those pts with that many shots?

    No. Effing no.

    I think Favors would get 18 and 10 consistently while also not being a statue on D.

    And Al shoots through double and triple teams. Is that not as good as a turnover?

    In fact. Has Favors ever gotten 18 shots in a game?
     
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  11. Lattimer

    Lattimer Well-Known Member

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    Okay just looked at it.

    Favors has not started at center this year meaning when he did start it was with Al the ball hog who takes all the shots.

    Last year he started 5 games at center when Al was out. Production? He played 34 mpg. And posted :

    15.8 pts 11.2 Rebs 1.6 ast 0.6 blk 0.8 stls 51% fg. 76% ft.


    How many shots on average? 11

    Stop listening to David Locke.
     
  12. Down Under Jazz

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    The development of Greg Monroe over the last year has been huge. Played 39 minutes today.

    Same draft/ similar player as Favors.
     
  13. Catchall

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    After the trade deadline, whether one of our players is moved or not, I think our young players will get more time, especially Favors. It seems to be a process of our vets moving out the door.
     
  14. Tarkanian

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    good comparison.
    this what happens, when your coach "penalizes" good production from your young players and bench them ASAP!
     
  15. Revolution 9

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    It was crazy to see Burks getting time in the playoffs. Wow.

    The more we hold these young guns back the worse off we are. It's time to unleash the beasts, and enjoy the ups and downs that will come!
     
  16. salo

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    clearly you're pissed. i just have two things to reply:
    1) re: the deron trade, anytime you trade away a star and don't get one back, you lose the trade.
    2) to say favors is rotting is to ignore the development we've seen in his game this year (especially) and to give the man himself no credit whatsoever. he didn't come here expecting to be the starter. he came as a VERY raw but exciting project player who was always going to take time to develop. you and others here have your thoughts on how to best do that. the jazz coaches have their own and i don't reckon you've got much chance of influencing them. plenty of the lottery picks you talk about were far more developed than favors when they were selected. there are just as many lottery picks who have taken years to get their game going and quite a few more that never got there at all.
     
  17. LunaticWolf

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    People forget the odds of the draft.

    Only picks 1 and 2, (sometimes 3) have a decent rate of turning out Stars.
    3 4 5 aren't stars, but usually turn out starters.
    5-14, there are more busts then NBA players.
    14-20 are generally busts too. Worst range to pick
    20-60 have an okay chance of turning out a role player. High chance of bust.
     
  18. orangello

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    You seem to be stuck on only the offensive side of the ball. You keep using the word "raw" to describe Favors. That word only applies to the offensive side of the ball.

    Defensively, he came onto this team as one of our best defensive players.

    If you don't agree with what people are saying that is fine, that is what this place is for. Just don't be ignorant.
     
  19. orangello

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    That last line is great! Also, the Jazz record for those games is also telling of the need for a move.
     
  20. Purch

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    To be fair using raw stats really doesn't tell the story. Tyson chandler is shooting 70% on the season, and on 10 shots he got 23 points against the Cavs. Does that mean that if he got the same defensive pressure a guy like Al or Z-Bo or guys expected to be the main scoring option, he'd be anywhere near that efficiency? No. Similarly you can't say that Favors would be able to put up that kind of efficency against the defensive pressure Jefferson faces. Just because he started does not mean that coaches threw the same amout of double teams, or they game planned that shutting him down was there focus (For the past year when the coaches are interviewed it's always the same, the keys are making it hard for Sap and Jefferson).

    Just because Spencer Hawes is filling in at center for Bynum does it mean he's seeing the same defensive pressure that Bynum will when he comes back? No if you're a main scoring option they defend you differently




    And yes Favors' is raw, even though it's improved dramatically this season, there's nothing about his offensive moves, that tells me he'd be more efficent against the defense Jefferson sees on a nightly basis. This is why I said when Favors-Kanter starts, Kanter should be the main scoring option. His offensive game is much more suited to take the defensive pressure Al usally sees and score even more efficently than AL.

    I want Al and Sap gone right now, to start building around Favors-Kanter. But you have to aknowlage that random raw stats without context can be used to make anyone, including Tyson Chandler look like they're dominating much more than bigs who see significant amounts of defensive pressure. The truth is those shots that are avileble to you, when you're not the main scoring option like Favors and Chandler.. aren't going to be available when teams are focused on shutting you down specifically. And that's when you need a defeined offensive game... In fact I'd say Favors is raw even considered to the younger Kanter at this point.

    Where he really shines is on the defensive end.
     
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