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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

HermanG said:
2) Demin - He truely looks and feels like a legit PG prospect and his passing and vision are already really good. I believe he will become NBA level handler and isnt bad as he is right now. If he learns to knock down 3s with a faster launch, his offensive ceiling could be close to #1 option level. Defensively he may be a Josh Giddey (excuse the weak white comp)... but at least he isnt Luka (excuse the second weak white comp). He has the length to improve his defense, but even in the best scenario he is probably not capable of defending PoA at a high level, especially against quicker guards.
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Demin is a fairly 'positionless' player--big guard or wing--who can be an effective lead initiator and play with pace. If everything pops for him, he'd be like the proverbial 'Jalen Johnson with a Jumpshot,' though he isn't as vertically explosive as Johnson and he probably isn't the same level of defensive playmaker.

Part of the appeal of Demin is that he could possibly sign a 3rd contract with the Jazz if things are going well with the team. Whereas, I could see Harper's circle pushing him out of Utah.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The pie-in-the-sky, dream scenario for Ace Bailey would be that he's in the same ballpark as Kevin Durant. Bailey is long and he's athletic, but he may not be explosive enough to get by tough wing defenders. (Now, having said that, I once said the same thing about Brandon Miller, and he's looked better in the NBA. So grain of salt...) Bailey is going to rise up and shoot over defenders, or pull from deep. He's got a confident, high release, but his ceiling as an offensive player probably comes down to his shot-making and gravity. He'll need someone else to be the initiator and get him some touches, so he doesn't need to force isolations all the time.

Maybe a reasonable expectation would be to say he's a richer version of Brandon Miller, imo. Bailey is more athletic than the injury-riddled version of MPJ.
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KD made an absolute fool out of college defenders didnt he? Asking honestly as Ive never seen his college tape.

Also what I do know is MPJ was rated pretty high up there in athleticism. Dude can really get up and do some monster jams, but its almost pointless as he cannot get where the jams need to take place.
 
HermanG said:
KD made an absolute fool out of college defenders didnt he? Asking honestly as Ive never seen his college tape.

Also what I do know is MPJ was rated pretty high up there in athleticism. Dude can really get up and do some monster jams, but its almost pointless as he cannot get where the jams need to take place.
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MPJ just isn't the same player he was before his back problems. He was considered the #1 prospect in his class. Now he can't really get by anybody or finish above the rim consistently.

And yeah, KD was a guy who all but led the country in scoring at Texas. Bailey isn't likely that level of player, but is in a similar archetype.
 
The negatives with Bailey arent really negatives if he ends up being really ****ing good at them.

Im just always skeptical of that archetype of player, but I was with Tatum as well and now he's a top 10 guy.
 
KD would still have been a great prospect if he couldn't shoot at all. His handle and movement was next level. Ace looks more like Jabari Smith to me. Great size, can take and make difficult shots, but also kind of stiff and doesn't get to the hoop. Thought Jabari was still a great prospect, but KD is just different.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Demin is a fairly 'positionless' player--big guard or wing--who can be an effective lead initiator and play with pace. If everything pops for him, he'd be like the proverbial 'Jalen Johnson with a Jumpshot,' though he isn't as vertically explosive as Johnson and he probably isn't the same level of defensive playmaker.

Part of the appeal of Demin is that he could possibly sign a 3rd contract with the Jazz if things are going well with the team. Whereas, I could see Harper's circle pushing him out of Utah.
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Positionless or not if I'm drafting him he will be my lead ballhandler from day 1. In my eyes he is more like improved version of Josh Giddey than he is Jalen Johnson.
 
KqWIN said:
KD would still have been a great prospect if he couldn't shoot at all. His handle and movement was next level. Ace looks more like Jabari Smith to me. Great size, can take and make difficult shots, but also kind of stiff and doesn't get to the hoop. Thought Jabari was still a great prospect, but KD is just different.
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Jabari had no creativity to his game at all. Ace does.
 
KqWIN said:
KD would still have been a great prospect if he couldn't shoot at all. His handle and movement was next level. Ace looks more like Jabari Smith to me. Great size, can take and make difficult shots, but also kind of stiff and doesn't get to the hoop. Thought Jabari was still a great prospect, but KD is just different.
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Jabari Smith isnt a bad comp either. I may reconsider my MPJ take.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Jabari had no creativity to his game at all. Ace does.
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Eh...I think Ace is more flashy in general, but the point is that that making difficult shots was part of the appeal but also brought up questions about their ability to produce more high valued shots. Still, there's no comparison to KD. This isn't supposed to be a diss on Ace either. Jabari was an elite prospect who goes top 3 in a lot of drafts. And of course this doesn't mean Ace will end up like NBA Jabari, I'm speaking about them as prospects.

Ace had played game, we'll see how his shot diet looks over the course of the season.
 
Jabari Smith had almost no downhill game. He's the guy you could compare to post-injury MPJ.

Another comp for Ace Bailey maybe Andrew Wiggins with much better shooting. Bailey is a high-level athlete.
 
No need to make mountains out of molehills with comparisons, no comparison is perfect. I can see why people have made these other comparisons like Brandon Miller. I'm just saying that KD ball handling/movement was levels ahead....he was a truly generational guy coming out of Texas. The main difference between KD and all his wannabe's is that he was an elite scorer in all facets of the game. His ability to handle and drive at his size is as impressive as his ability to shoot at his size.

Ace is still a very good prospect, maybe elite depending on his season goes, but his shot selection/handle is a question mark he will have to answer.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Dude needs to stay away from the buffet table.

When your thing in college is taking long, ultra tough turnaround / fadeaway jumpers with a hand on your face because you're too slow to get past anyone, it doesn't really bode well for your pro career.
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I may regret asking this, but who are the guys you like at the top of the draft? Based on your comments you wouldn't pick Cooper #1, so who would it be?

Just so that you arent allowed to only throw shade on guys. Give us someone who has tremendous upside.
 
What are some playmaking wings/guards, that Jazz might be targeting on Wolves pick? (I assume anything between 15-25, with a luck, higher)

It's obvious Jazz absolutely need one ready-to go play maker+ one that has at least high potential. Half of this team is outta door in two years.
 
Step-Back Lauri said:
What are some playmaking wings/guards, that Jazz might be targeting on Wolves pick? (I assume anything between 15-25, with a luck, higher)

It's obvious Jazz absolutely need one ready-to go play maker+ one that has at least high potential. Half of this team is outta door in two years.
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One guy i'd be seriously looking at if i were drafting in the 20s is Kam Jones of Marquette. He's been elite all season and last night put up a 17, 13 and 10 line in a win against #6 Purdue.
 
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