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Hayward Doesn't mind coming off the bench.

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by cctrackstar, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. cctrackstar

    cctrackstar Well-Known Member

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    I've heard this before, and he confirmed in this article that Hayward doesn't mind coming off the bench:

    https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/55311850-87/jazz-hayward-utah-bench.html.csp

    My question is do we like this or not? On the one hand it means that he is more flexible as far as how he is used and he won't be a locker room cancer or a pouty Millsap - er player I mean.

    On the other hand, does this mean that he doesn't have the fire to truly be great?

    I know he's really competitive, I have heard about how he is really pissed if he loses a game of one on one. Do we call BS on him being fine with coming off the bench? Is he just really good at PR stuff? I think of all of the players, he is the one who is most likely to be ok with it, but that brings us back to the question: Are we ok with him being ok with it?
     
  2. midnight_hwy

    midnight_hwy Active Member

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    I don't really think he minds. If anything, he probably likes it more as he gets to be a more focal point of the offense with the second unit.
    I don't believe that he will be a bench player for the rest of his career, but with the current Jazz lineup, being with the second unit is probably the best place he could be right now.
     
  3. candrew

    candrew Well-Known Member

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    Why would he care? In the Bizzarro world that is The Jazz offensive system, he's better off and he knows it.

    He plays with a squad that actually kinda/sorta runs plays. He has a real PG feeding him the ball and he gets the most looks.

    What's not to like?
     
  4. Stoked

    Stoked Modstapo Moderator

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    I am really starting to like and agree with Hayward as the sixth man. He seems to excel in that role. Good teams need a good 6th man as well.
     
  5. Zulu

    Zulu Well-Known Member

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    So do bad teams..... Just sayin'!!!!
     
  6. udflyer

    udflyer Well-Known Member

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    Come on guys, does he mind .. ABSOLUTELY.

    Will he say that ... ABSOLUTELY NOT. He is too smart for that.

    Hayward is a fierce competitor and is an NBA Starter on almost all teams. (Not an all-star, but a starter).

    Here is my problem with it. The problem with the previous starting 5 was not Hayward, it was Black Hole, no defense Big Al.
    The difference with Hayward off the bench is he gets touches and handles the ball. Hmmmm, ever think to do that with the starters and get
    Al's ass out of here.

    Now that Favors is starting, Hayward needs to be in that lineup with Favors.

    PLUS, Hayward is a significantly better defender than Foye.

    What I want to see is who finishes. Washington/Rockets was not close at the end.
    We need to develop Hayward as a closer. He already closes out on key defensive possessions. I want the ball to go through him for last shots.

    Here's the deal. It is crap like this why someone like Hayward even will choose to leave Utah as soon as he can. Players want to start and play minutes.
     
  7. Jeffrey32

    Jeffrey32 Well-Known Member

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    Utah would be better served with Hayward in the starting line-up instead of Foye. Foye is instant offense off the bench and that where he should be. He could be Utah's Jason Terry. Hayward on the other hand would be beneficial in the starting line-up because he could be a distributor for the offense. Since Mo is a shoot first point guard and you have the Big 3 down low that need the ball, Hayward could play more of a PG role getting other involved, as well as driving and spotting up.
     
  8. orangello

    orangello Well-Known Member

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    So sad and true.
     
  9. Gameface

    Gameface Fire Controlman

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    I think Hayward sees the bigger picture and wants to contribute to team wins more than buff his ego. I said it before he played a minute in a Jazz uniform, Hayward is a winner and winners win. He took his college team further than they were supposed to go. How? Tenacity and finding ways to win. That's who he is. When he's not playing basketball he's playing real time strategy games and at a high level. I think Hayward is honestly about putting the best constructed team on the floor and using that team's strength in the best possible way, fitting into that and finding a way to make it work.

    Did I mention that I really like Hayward. Even when he's not shooting well he is contributing.
     
  10. Gameface

    Gameface Fire Controlman

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    I disagree with this. That mentality is what's wrong with the NBA.
     
  11. orangello

    orangello Well-Known Member

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    I love the fact that the wings that are in the game when Jefferson is are nearly worthless. When I say love I mean hate. When I say worthless I mean invisible.
     
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  12. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Lol... and truth
    repped.
     
  13. Brown Notes

    Brown Notes Well-Known Member

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    They stop being invisible when the ball moves. Last game was a very good example. Ty had plays run through almost everybody, early, and Mo played like a point guard at least half the time. When Al calls for and holds the ball, or Mo dribbles around the top of the key for 6 seconds, the wings have little opportunity to contribute. Although why nobody cuts in these situations is still a mystery.
     
  14. TheSilencer1313

    TheSilencer1313 Well-Known Member

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    I agree big time with Gameface on this one.
    Not only is Hayward better suited coming off of the bench himself..... he also makes Kanter, Marvin, and Carroll better as well. In that second unit, you have two play makers in Hayward and Tinsley to help Kanter develop along with (mostly) solid offense from Marvin as well as great defense and hustle from Carroll.
    This bench reminds me of something like San Antonio has, in that Ginobili is a playmaker, as is Hayward.

    Hayward is a winner, and a leader. One of those guys that will help a team win no matter what the role may be.
     
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  15. HeavenHarris

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    you gotta wonder, would hayward be coming off the bench if he were black?
    maybe hayward has just accepted the reverse racialism in the NBA at this point.
    maybe, he needs to insert himself into the starting lineup and refuse to go to the bench until officials physically force him.
    I'm not saying Hayward has the opportunity to be the NBA's reverse Rosa Parks, but I'm not saying he doesn't, either.
    You decide.
     
  16. ONE LOVE

    ONE LOVE PROUD SUPPORTER Moderator

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    May be you should stop being an idiot. Have you thought of that?
     
  17. ONE LOVE

    ONE LOVE PROUD SUPPORTER Moderator

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    YES YES YES!! He's wearing that number 20 jersey for a reason too!
     
  18. TheSilencer1313

    TheSilencer1313 Well-Known Member

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    Why in the hell do you continue with the lame racist jokes? Or are you actually serious when you spout this crap?
     
  19. Stoked

    Stoked Modstapo Moderator

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    HH is intentionally replying the way he/she/it is. It amazes me that so many people give him/her/it play.
     
  20. TheSilencer1313

    TheSilencer1313 Well-Known Member

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    Haha nice. I didn't even take that into consideration when I made the comment.
     

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