If whites moved out of the US.....

[Stoked]

I agree that you have to take responsibility for your ownd ecisions and actions.

But here is another angle. If you were a minority and had children wouldn't you want to work and make the system more favorable to them. To give them a greater chance at success?

Also what is success? I consider my self very successful and I am now where even near rich. Everyone's definition is different and I would want to give my kids the best chance possible to acheive their definition of success.

So yes take personal responsibility but also try to improve things that obviously need improving/fixing.

 

[Beer]

I agree that you have to take responsibility for your ownd ecisions and actions.

But here is another angle. If you were a minority and had children wouldn't you want to work and make the system more favorable to them. To give them a greater chance at success?

Also what is success? I consider my self very successful and I am now where even near rich. Everyone's definition is different and I would want to give my kids the best chance possible to acheive their definition of success.

So yes take personal responsibility but also try to improve things that obviously need improving/fixing.

And to make the system more beneficial to them you need to get your **** together and get yourself into a place of power in order to affect change.

 

[DutchJazzer]

But here is another angle. If you were a minority and had children wouldn't you want to work and make the system more favorable to them. To give them a greater chance at success?

sadly that does not seem to happen they dont care about there children.
until they come into the nfl/nba or become a rapper


edit:
sorry i worded it wrong. dont mean all black people. take obama for example.

but statistically that group seems to be the biggest offender of dad running out. also location seems to matter in the high percentage of dads not caring.
sorry if i offended you. please forgive me.

 

[Gameface]

sadly that does not seem to happen they dont care about there children.
until they come into the nfl/nba or become a rapper

Man, I had no idea black people didn't care about their children.

That explains a lot.

Thanks Dutchjazzer for enlightening me. Your posts are always so well thought out and persuasive. I can't believe everyone hasn't started agreeing with you about everything yet.

 

[Gameface]

Haven't read the thread. Because it's always a rerun.

I personally have several black friends, both men and women, that are multi-millionaires born in the hood with no help.
They stayed out of trouble, got good grades, earned schollies, went into business WITH favor, and later became entrepreneurs.

Is there racism in this country? Yes. Does it keep minorities from finding success? Not at all.. At all. Tell me exactly how it does.
Anyway, I'm not hating on minorities, I'm hating on the victimization card. One day whites may very well be the minority in America. Would be interesting to hear hypothesis as to whether it keeps us from success.

I stopped reading at "Haven't read the thread."

 

[Gameface]

That's exactly the drum beating message liberals pound. Tell me how it's different.

I don't think it's all that different.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Man, I had no idea black people didn't care about their children.

That explains a lot.

Thanks Dutchjazzer for enlightening me. Your posts are always so well thought out and persuasive. I can't believe everyone hasn't started agreeing with you about everything yet.

sorry i worded it wrong. dont mean all black people. take obama for example.

but statistically that group seems to be the biggest offender of dad running out. also location seems to matter in the high percentage of dads not caring.
sorry if i offended you. please forgive me.

 

[Stoked]

sadly that does not seem to happen they dont care about there children.
until they come into the nfl/nba or become a rapper

You should probably stop talking.

 

[DutchJazzer]

You should probably stop talking.

seen my post above, i worded it wrong

 

[Nate505]

sadly that does not seem to happen they dont care about there children.
until they come into the nfl/nba or become a rapper

Wow, that's....eh, I won't use a word that could get me reported, since that looks bad I guess....even for you.

I mean, that's really, really, really, really, really, just....eh....wow. People bitch about CJ here but I can't remember him saying something like this.

 

[franklin]

wild overstatement.

You also act like "success" is a mostly cohesive and well-understood thing, which it isn't. Maybe you have a narrow view of success?



Pretty drab generalization in the first underline, frank. You're sounding like the worst of Hegel.

Take a look at the history of Salvadoran migration to the US since the late 80s. That country plunged into a civil war caused, in no small part, by US-meddling in the region. Many civilians fled to the US and expected to get refugee status instead of economic migrant status... something that would have drastically altered their legal framework and altered the paths toward "success". They didn't get it, which altered their job prospects, and that one factor was probably the biggest in the LA gang issues that developed at that time. The "odds" aren't some unknown variable; there are different odds, and they are knowable to a certain extent.

I think I understand the second underline. If I do, then I agree. The terms by which we understand debt essentially require that we look at that issue differently. A couple hundred years of free labor, then more generations of underpaid labor doesn't just go away.

That seems like a minor gripe in the grand scheme. Either way, my point is that nothing will ever change until we stop looking at this from a racism viewpoint and start digging into the cultural aspects of why we have deep pockets of AA communities that have been left behind. Racism is a crutch for the weak and lazy minded to lean upon while casting blame.