Jazz need to get back to development and draft,not retreading older veterans

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by tleikheen, May 31, 2017.

  1. tleikheen

    tleikheen Well-Known Member

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    Jazz did get some mileage out of Hill,Johnson,Diaw and a unexpected breakout by Ingles.They did get into the playoffs but for a injury to Griffin would have been bounced out in the 1st round.The sacrifice was Exum and Lyles.Playing them doesn't say they wouldn't have made the playoffs.Led by Gobert and Hayward,they were still playoff bound.
    Come playoff time Hill was broken down,JJ &Diaw&Ingles were game but not fast enough.Jazz looked slow in the fast pace of the new NBA.Doesn't mean they can't play anymore,just means more in a support role from the bench.
    For the Jazz to thrive and be a force they need to do from within what they have already.Exum and Lyles need to play through their mistakes.A summer of healing and then getting their bodies stronger should see Favors bounce back,Hood assert himself in a starting role.Exum and Lyles both a young 22 yrs old in the upcoming season should be physically stronger and ready for more prominent roles.
    Resigning Hayward and Ingles should be paramount,resigning would hinder Jazz going forward.Let Withey and Mack walk.
    Draft Jonathon Jeanne to backup Gobert at Center.
    Sign Milos Teodosic to backup and share PG duties with Exum.

    PG) Exum,Teodosic
    SG) Hood,Burks
    SF) Hayward,Ingles
    PF) Favors,Lyles,Balomboy
    C) Gobert,Jeanne

    Jazz can play with pace ,slow or fast defensively and offensively.Commit back to growth from within while remaining long and athletic.
     
  2. stitches

    stitches Well-Known Member

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    If you go into next season with Exum as your point guard, Hayward is gone. Then you can more easily focus on "getting back to development and draft" with a sub 500 team.
     
  3. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Then it will give you plenty of time to develop whoever we draft.
     
  4. stitches

    stitches Well-Known Member

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    Indeed.
     
  5. Dali

    Dali Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree to the idea that winning now and developing talent have to be mutually exclusive.

    Trey and Dante can and should still be developed with good minutes as the backup players behind Derrick and whichever Starting PG is here.
     
  6. franklin

    franklin Well-Known Member

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    The inevitable blowup creeps in one step further.
     
  7. mellow

    mellow Well-Known Member

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    "get back to development" implies they were ever really focused on development.

    I'm not convinced they ever were really focused on development until last season.

    Too many lost years in there for Hayward, Favors, Burks and others.
     
  8. DasJazz

    DasJazz Well-Known Member

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    Blake Griffin injury I think made things harder on the Jazz. We had a tremendously tough time defending the pick and roll with CP3/Jordan once he went out. Would've won in 5 or 6 games with both rosters at full capacity.
     
  9. Quin's Murderface

    Quin's Murderface Well-Known Member

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    This is very true. I do think that Hayward was developed mostly the right way. The other guys were all hindered by not actually getting big roles and minutes early on to varying degrees. IT's a bit unfair though because some of that was under different coaching/FO structure. I do think the Jazz have put themselves in a bad situation by not going all in on development. Now contracts are up, and extensions are coming due and things could have been clearer if the team had committed to a rebuild immediately instead of a re-tool.

    I would not be comfortable with the lineup the OP used. I think you need to bring in some kind of good starting level player that can score. That could be any position other than SF or Center.
     
  10. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    I put Exum being 1st the first PG on the depth chart at the start of training camp at 0%
     
  11. tleikheen

    tleikheen Well-Known Member

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    This part is B.S.,unless you know inside information ,plz share.

    What we do know is that theirs a real chance GHill will get a better offer than Jazz are willing to top.
    Though Hill played good the 42 games he played ,Who's to say Hayward will sign just because Hill MIGHT return????Of those 42 games Hill played HOW many games did he play not at 100% ??? Hayward signs after seeing a injured Hill all last year ???
    Another point was made about win shares that Hayward,Gobert,Exum were a 60 win pace and Hayward,Gobert ,Hill were a 56 win pace team.
    If you're going to sign a 30 million a year contract and play alongside Gobert you already have a strong twosome at the center of your team .Throw in including Exum,Favors,Hood,Ingles,Burks,and Lyles you have been team mates for going on 3 years together,CONTINUITY will count towards Haywards decision.
     
  12. Cappy_Smurf

    Cappy_Smurf Well-Known Member

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    Nothing irritates me more than some dumbass saying we only got to the 2nd round because Griffin was injured, as if we didn't have injury problems ourselves.

    OP can consider himself negged.
     
  13. Douchebag K

    Douchebag K Well-Known Member

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    I think he was saying that griffin being injured made it harder ... which doesn't make sense either
     
  14. JFFR

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    Players have to earn minutes. The biggest talent leap happens by working hard in the gym. Game time helps polish things off, but development shouldn't happen during the 48 minutes.

    Let's hope Exum and Lyles take a leap this summer (just like Hayward, Gobert, Ingles, and Hood have done.)
     
  15. SCS

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    I disliked his post for this reason. We would have made easy work of the Clippers if we were healthy.
     
  16. SCS

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    I disagree. Hayward isn't staking his future on the PG next year is. His decision will come down to what the overall future vision of the team is.
     
  17. silesian

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    I don't think Teodosic is coming over without some assurance that he is starting. Going from best player in europe to backup to 22 year old is likely a non-starter.
     
  18. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    True, but the moves at the PG are a clear signal about the overall vision. He saw the team pre-Hill and post-Hill and I don't think he wants to revert.
     
  19. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. In fact, you need rookie contracts on the roster to be able to stay under luxury tax levels, to counter max contracts.
     
  20. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    Idiot!!
     

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