Jazz not using Marvin correctly. One of ESPNs top 8 Buy low players

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  1. Fishsticks

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    Marvin Williams, Utah Jazz
    A change of scenery figured to work well for this Williams, also a disappointing former No. 2 overall pick, but instead he's having arguably the worst season of his career in Utah. The Jazz have cast Williams as a spot-up shooter, and after making a career-high 38.9 percent beyond the arc in 2011-12, he's down to 34.7 percent -- closer to his career average from 3-point range (33.2 percent). Now Williams is barely creating any of his own offense, which explains why his usage rate and his per-minute scoring are both career lows. Utah's in the market for a point guard, and Williams could be part of the package, giving him an opportunity to put more of his skills to use.
     
  2. Stifle Tower

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    I've said quite a few times that Marvin could be a valuable contributor...if used correctly. Trade Al and give Marvin 10 shots per game and you won't see a noticeable dropoff in the offense. Jazz offense would destroy the careers of Durant and LeBron if we had those players. May as well let KOC and Lindsey go. Doesn't matter who the Jazz bring in; the ball still goes in to Al for 10-15 seconds each possession and if he can't get a shot, then it's like a game of hot potato with a desperate heave at the bucket as time runs out.
     
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  3. dipship31

    dipship31 Well-Known Member

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    As far as I'm concerned we brought Marvin here to play defense and hit open 3's. He's done 1/2.
     
  4. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Well-Known Member Moderator

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    It's time to move on. Corbin isn't going anywhere, so Marvin has got to go.
     
  5. Stifle Tower

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    35% ain't bad on 3's. And his defense has been decent. The problem is his usage. He goes for days without seeing the ball. Just bring him off curls, throw him the ball occasionally. We're not talking AK here; Marvin can actually hit an open jump shot. I'm not saying Marvin is an all-star caliber player. But he could easily be a 14-pt/per player who also plays great defense. And that's exactly the kind of player needed at SF.

    The problem is that the FO and coaching staff have to be on the same page. May as well bring in 4 D-leaguers to play with Big Al. Job description: must like to stand and watch while coach's pet gets all the shots. Occasionally need to move left or right to catch the ball, but must be willing to immediately throw it back.

    And there's the problem. NO SF will ever be successful in the Corbin/Jefferson offense. One of those two has got to go. The only thing that gives me some hope is that the Jazz were pretty good when Al was hurt. The ball movement was fantastic. So please. Mr. and Mrs. Kevin O'Lindsey, trade Al!
     
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  6. Siro

    Siro Mrs. Featherbottom Contributor

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    The problem with that, and the main reason I've lost interest in the current team, is that Corbin makes any potential acquisition pointless. He has no clue how to take advantages of a players strengths, or the opponents weaknesses. He has no idea how to run an effecient adaptable offense. He does not know how to react on the fly to in game situations. He just knows how to follow as a career-long seventh assistant coach, or whatever job he held before his Forrest Gump moment.

    Do you remember how Favors was forced into AJ-style basketball and we got to watch hilariously awkward post moves for a season and a half? What ever happened with that? Is the team running PnR with Favors now? or is still the same comedy routine? How about Burks? Can he drive and create his own offense, or is he still forced to "play within the offense" at all costs? Do we still feed the ball to AJ every time down the court then take a nap?

    Regardless of who the Jazz get, Corbin can't get it done. He probably couldn't make it to the second round with the Miami Heat. So why would it matter if Marvin goes or stays? Might as well misuse the players you have, than take the time to learn how to best misuse any acquired assets.
     
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  7. Gas

    Gas Well-Known Member

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    It isn't Corbin's fault Marvin sucks. You guys are high if you think Marvin is being held back by Corbin. Atlanta traded him to us for a reason. Their fans wanted him gone for a reason.
     
  8. NUMBERICA

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    But guys. I thought the Jazz and their vaunted system/offense/other players were going to make Marvin Wililams so much better.
     
  9. Stifle Tower

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    Atlanta fans wanted him gone for much the same reason we wanted AK gone: he wasn't worth his salary. A #2 pick is supposed to turn into an all-star, just like a MAX player is supposed to be one of the top players in the NBA. Marvin is not a #1 option. But he can be a nice complementary piece. Trade him to SA and you'd see how good of a player he really is. Pop knows how to utilize his players; Corbin does not.
     
  10. CitizenofCapua

    CitizenofCapua Well-Known Member

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    This. There are so many players on the Jazz roster who not using correctly but Marvin ain't one. If Carrol can score double digits if given +30 minutes to him or if he can do the other little things, Marvin should do it either. Go for second chance points you are 6-9, play closer to the paint, if your shots not falling make cuts, change your spot for open looks. Big Al oriented offense is not an excuse. He is just invisible on the floor and i can't see that he is trying or doing something abot it.
     
  11. Weezur

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    I'm convinced that this is a developmental season where Burks/Favors/Kanter/Hayward all play outside their comfort zone and try to add more skill set against the bench. It's a good thing because it'll allow Favors and Kanter to be more than one-dimensional. Same with Burks though he's got it harder because he has to play a position where he isn't supposed to be on all the time and a position where he is supposed to be on all the time.
    That's why we haven't seen a lot of Kanter pick and pop, not much Favors PnR, or Burks driving in. Hayward's a couple years ahead in terms of being multi-dimensional so he can focus on just dominating the court.

    Anyways, that's just a theory. It could be that the coaching and managing of the Jazz sucks really bad and then we're all screwed and life sucks and Corbins a hack and the city will move and Windows 8 sucks.
     
  12. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    Do we got swindled for Devin Harris.
     
  13. DutchJazzer

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    i said it a lot of times.

    people hating on him
     
  14. Stifle Tower

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    A wash at worst.
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  15. The Fresh Prince

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    Why the hate on Marvin?

    It is CORBIN. It is AL.

    And some of it is Marvin just being human, wanting to live off his 8 million dollars he makes every year so he can tat his body up, do whatever in his downtime and still be guaranteed 30 minutes a night regardless of his performance.
     
  16. Siro

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    Typically, players use the first few seasons to hone their skills and perfect what they already know so that their advantages in college continue to be so in the NBA. Millsap was not forced to develop his jumper in his rookie or sophomore year, since that would have been an idiotic move on a cosmic scale. His PF skills needed a lot of work before any attempt to expand his game. Similarly, Favors strengths are all wasted. It's not like he has a great offensive game outside of the post. All that "playing outside of his comfort zone" will accomplish, is to add another set of poorly developed skills that are simply not helpful at this level of basketball.

    Also, I find it strange that those strategies all involve close minded systematic approach to basketball. It's not like Favors is encouraged to pass in a PnR situation, thus adding dimensionality to one of his strengths. Hell, AJ was lauded for learning to pass every now and then when he gets the ball in the post. To Corbin, not shooting the ball every single time you touch it is an achievement worth publicizing.

    Ironically, I would be more accepting of the approach if it was taken with the mentality you seem to espouse. I would not agree with it. But I would accept that my basketball knowledge pales in comparison to people who have been around the NBA for decades. But that's not it. Corbin is simply not an NBA level headcoach. He's the perfect yesman in an organization that no longer cares about high level competition, and is contented offering a passable product that brings in moderate profits with little risk.
     
  17. Stifle Tower

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    Is "Fresh Prince," carolinajazz' alt account?
     
  18. Cope

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    Marvin is the 5th (Or 4th with Tinsley there but he dominates the ball) option in the starting lineup. This is one of the reasons moving Hayward to the bench was beneficial for him.

    Comparing Marvin to DMC isn't fair as DMC gets his burn with Favors/Kanter/Watson/Burks/Hayward vs. Marvin with Al/Millsap/Foye (3 players who probably 'haven't checked my stats' shoot the most on our team).

    I agree, we are using him incorrectly and this article is pretty much on. Free him up with some shots and get him involved in the offense (If we have one that is) and I think he is a MUCH better player from what he has shown us.
     
  19. HipHopAnonymous

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    I thought when the Jazz got him he was supposed to flourish because he is a spot up shooter. Now he sucks because he can't slash and create his own shot enough?

    Just face it the guy is about the 8th - 10th best player a given team.
     
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  20. Fishsticks

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    How dare you! Never disgrace!
     

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