KOC - Great Gm or Greatest GM ever ??

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Gas, Feb 2, 2013.

is KOC a great GM or the Greatest GM

  1. Great

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  2. Greatest

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  1. Gas

    Gas Well-Known Member

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    I think I am starting to see the light.

    Trade your top ten player for a solid bench.
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    When drafting 3rd overall, draft 4th big who will play less than 10 min per game
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    Cash in no assets
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    Play it safe as possible, take no risks.
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    Sign really old players who can't play defense, ensure they start.
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    Hire coach with no clue
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    Play over the top hardball with every GM in league inquiring about trades

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    Caculating.....
    Bee bop bee doop bop beep doop beeee bop dop bop doop boop

    Championship!
     
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  2. George

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    Where is the Mountains option, sir??


    I vote Mountains.

    -George
     
  3. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    He's neither, but I would say fair-to-good.
     
  4. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

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    KOC would draft Blake Griffin in the middle rounds of an all-time fantasy draft.
     
  5. Gas

    Gas Well-Known Member

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    Ya. Blake Griffin is terrible.

    I'm so stupid for picking him.
     
  6. Gas

    Gas Well-Known Member

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    Say NAOS,

    Do you think Chris Paul will hitch is wagon this summer to Blake Griffin because CP3 is stupid or because CP3 is smart?
     
  7. franklin

    franklin Well-Known Member

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    That's it. I can't put up with your naivete any longer. I'm currently taking applications for a new apprentice genius.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Gas

    Gas Well-Known Member

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    The student is taking over the master.
     
  9. Catchall

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    Here's the thing--I think what you're seeing is a mix of multiple objectives going on at the same time, thereby making the team strategy a bit complex and nuanced:

    1) The Jazz want to be "playoff competitive," to put a decent product on the floor, keep the Jazz winning tradition alive, and give the fans something to cheer about. Super-smart fans might advocate for a clean rebuild, but there's never a guarantee it will work, and it's a risky strategy for the casual fan that buys seats and hot dogs. If the team is good enough to be in the playoffs, it's hard for the front office to make a U-turn and not make the playoffs. Yes, the Jazz could trade Al and they probably came close to doing so. However, he's been about as effective on offense as Patrick Ewing was during the latter years of his career. It's hard to give up that bird in the hand in the middle of a successful playoff run.

    2) The Jazz want to improve the team and move up to the next level. Generally getting lottery talent or top FAs (which we generally suck at) is the way to go. So as a matter of policy, the Jazz have to draft well and they have to trade well. The FAs they are able to attract are generally wayward vets who are looking to reinvent themselves or just plain stay in the league. The Jazz have to play their trade cards well and try to pick up extra high-value picks in trades.

    3) In order to achieve 2) above, the Jazz have to protect the value of their existing players and "sell high" in trades. They moved Deron when his value was at its peak and when the market (i.e., Nets) was most desperate. (This was a good move....especially when you consider paying DWill $100 million is a bad move. He couldn't carry an expensive team past the 2nd round.). So in order to protect the trade value of Al, Sap, Foye, Marvin, and even Earl Watson, these guys have to play significant minutes. And as long as these guys don't suck seaweed, it's generally for the best.

    4) The Jazz need to develop the young players they already have by making sure they get good minutes every reasonable opportunity. However, since Corbin is trying to win games (Objective 1), he's been giving minutes to the vets, simply because he trusts them in late-game situations more and he wants them to be in a rhythm. Burks should be getting more minutes at the expense of Marvin, Earl and Foye. Kanter should be getting more minutes at the expense of Sap and Al. Hopefully after the trade deadline this will happen.
     
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  10. LunaticWolf

    LunaticWolf Well-Known Member

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    If you skipped this post. Read it NOW
     
  11. Gameface

    Gameface Fire Controlman

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    I don't know. It's a long post and I'm pretty lazy.
     
  12. Gas

    Gas Well-Known Member

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    Get off his jock. Sell you own stuff.
     
  13. LunaticWolf

    LunaticWolf Well-Known Member

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    Whats with you today?
     
  14. franklin

    franklin Well-Known Member

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    Already sold your jock to the Devil's trade. Sell your own stuff.
     
  15. freakazoid

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    I have been very critical of our FO's failure to rebuild last year at what I considered a crucial time, but I get sick of posters who have zero understanding that Utah will NEVER be on a level playing field in regards to building a team with absolutlely no worries as to what could happen if the team scraped bottom for several years. It frustrates me that the situation is what it is, but I understand that KOC has had to take into account a lot more than just building for the future, cost be damned. As much as I have no doubt whatsoever that the future would have been much better served by rebuilding last year, KOC has been a very good GM who has had to make tough decisions with a lot more to take into consideration than just wanting a better team, like the average fan. Without a doubt. Anyone who doesn't believe so is indeed very limited in their understanding of the NBA and Utah's situation. That's my 2 cents.
     
  16. Gyp Rosetti

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    Two problems with this. Is Corbin playing all the vets like you mention "simply because he trusts them in late-game situations more and he wants them to be in a rhythm" or because "the Jazz have to protect the value of their existing players?" Which is it? Also, #3 will never happen. The Deron trade was an anomaly.
     
  17. Gyp Rosetti

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    If you haven't read this post, good, DON'T.
     
  18. Gas

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    You are trying to say it ain't that simple. I'm saying it is.

    You are saying the Miller's can't afford a championship. I'm saying they can, and at the same price as they are paying now. Even if it was more, it wouldn't matter.The Millers have sold over 1 millions cars. They advertise it all the time. So its gotta be true. So if you assume that they profitted 1000 $ dollars average on every sell, then that makes them billionaires. It could be a lot more too, thats low balling their net worth. They can afford a good team.
     
  19. Catchall

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    Both in opinion, but more because Corbin is trying to win games. I've never seen Corbin throw a game. He's made some strange substitutions and not always taken advantage of mis-matches in our favor, but I don't think he's doing that on purpose. Those are just honest mistakes on his part. A few players--Marvin Williams, Earl Watson and Millsap--might get a few extra minutes to protect their value. I'm not sure Sap and Marvin always deserve to start. However, overall, I think Corbin is being conservative and trusts them to run the plays better.

    Regarding #3, I don't think Al's value in the league will ever get much higher. Now's the time to sell with him if a worthwhile deal is out there. It's time to sell with Sap simply because he's got no real motivation to stay here anyway.
     
  20. freakazoid

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    I'm not saying that at all, but I do think they have a right to worry about their bottom line. I'm more than happy to gamble with their money, but I certainly don't blame THEM for worrying about what could happen if they lost that gamble. So yes, we will just have to disagree on whether or not it is just that simple.
     

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