Lindsey: read it and weep

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  1. zman1527

    zman1527 Well-Known Member

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    The Jazz are all about history, and patience, and Tyrone Corbin. Gotta bring along the young one slowly, really really slowly. Seems they forgot the part about competing and championships. So what do we "stand for"? Can we really hope this is all just pre-trade disinformation?

    " Jazz’s Lindsey preaching patience
    NBA » GM defends Utah’s approach with young players.

    By Bill Oram

    | The Salt Lake Tribune
    First Published Feb 11 2013 11:50 pm • Last Updated Feb 11 2013 11:50 pm

    Six months after being hired, Dennis Lindsey clearly knows his Utah Jazz history. At the very least, one practical detail hasn’t escaped the team’s first-year general manager.

    "It took John Stockton three years, as I understand it, to be a starter," he said.

    So Derrick Favors, the Jazz’s third-year forward, isn’t necessarily destined for a lifetime of being underutilized? Nor Gordon Hayward, the Jazz’s third-leading scorer and a backup?

    That’s where Lindsey finds truth in the past, saying the team is "adhering to the history of the organization" by bringing its young stars along slowly. Stockton did not become a full-time starter until 1987-88, his fourth year in the NBA.

    Among a segment of the Jazz fan base is a growing discontentment that the Jazz’s four former lottery picks, also including Enes Kanter and Alec Burks, are being held back by not playing bigger roles. Lindsey said the Jazz are very cognizant of how that young core is handled.

    "We understand that the public, as are we, are excited about the young guys," Lindsey said. "But we’ve got to bring them along at the appropriate pace."

    The former San Antonio and Houston executive, who stepped into the role with the Jazz when longtime GM Kevin O’Connor became executive vice president last summer, spoke about the team’s future Monday as part of a wide-ranging interview with Salt Lake City media at the team’s practice facility.

    In regard to Favors, the talented and rangy power forward who ranks among the top 20 shot blockers in the NBA, Lindsey said the Jazz have weighed whether it does NBA, Lindsey said the Jazz have weighed whether it does more for him to play big minutes now, or gives "him a real sense of appreciation that he earned the additional bump in minutes eventually, whenever that is."

    With the NBA trade deadline nine days away (Feb. 21), the Jazz and their eight expiring contracts have been popular characters in rumors and speculation, leading Lindsey to describe the front office’s activity as "normal, course of business."

    In the last week, the Jazz have been linked to trades that would send Al Jefferson to San Antonio, Alec Burks to Minnesota for point guard Luke Ridnour and, on Monday, to a deal that would send Al Jefferson and Gordon Hayward to Phoenix.

    "When everybody says that you have to do something," O’Connor said in an NBA TV interview Monday afternoon, "that’s when you probably don’t."

    So are the Jazz taking calls? Almost certainly. Are they making them? Lindsey, true to the Jazz way, played it close to the vest.

    "We have a job to do," Lindsey said. "We can’t hide from that. Kevin and I have to listen and survey and, again, our overriding points is we want to be very disciplined to the threshold that’s been built, the flexibility that’s been built."

    The Jazz will see as much as $49 million come off the books in the summer, getting the team well below the salary cap and allowing the financial freedom to compete for any free agents.

    One issue the Jazz need to sort out long term is their plans at point guard. Mo Williams, Earl Watson and Jamaal Tinsley all become free agents, and conventional wisdom says the Jazz will try to add a young point guard of the future.

    Williams, 30, took umbrage last week when ESPN columnist Bill Simmons said the Jazz need to find a point guard. He posted to his Twitter account, "What the hell Bill Simmons talking about the jazz need a point guard. What the hell position have I been playing all yr [sic]?"

    Asked if Williams, who has not played since Dec. 22 due to a tear in his right thumb, could be the Jazz’s point guard of the future, Lindsey said, "Yes, he could. We’ll see how the rest of this season goes. Mo’s a free agent and has earned the right to be a free agent. ... He’s acquitted himself well here."

    Surrounded by question marks, Lindsey was unequivocal about one key Jazz piece: Tyrone Corbin is entrenched as the head coach.

    "I’m confident we have a really good leader and good man in Ty Corbin, who has been here before and knows what we stand for," Lindsey said."
     
  2. jimmy eat jazz

    jimmy eat jazz Well-Known Member

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    Lindsey preaching patience (SLT)

    https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/55811421-87/jazz-lindsey-guard-nba.html.csp

    I'm surprised nobody has linked to this article yet. Here is the item that grabbed my attention, "That’s where Lindsey finds truth in the past, saying the team is "adhering to the history of the organization" by bringing its young stars along slowly. Stockton did not become a full-time starter until 1987-88, his fourth year in the NBA."

    I want to give Lindsey the benefit of the doubt, but one of the absolute worst reasons to do something is because "that's how we've done it before." This is the same kind of crapola that Sloan constantly shoveled justifying why he played Milt Palacio and Chucker McLeod over D-Will. (Note that by the end of his rookie year, Williams was starting and was fully ensconced in the starting role come his second year.)

    The Jazz brass want us to be patient, but I'm nearly out of patience, and I'm losing interest. Did the Jazz really bring Lindsey for . . . this??

    Also, for those of you who hate Corbin and want him gone, I'm sorry, but I have bad news: "Surrounded by question marks, Lindsey was unequivocal about one key Jazz piece: Tyrone Corbin is entrenched as the head coach. 'I’m confident we have a really good leader and good man in Ty Corbin, who has been here before and knows what we stand for,' Lindsey said."
     
  3. MoreFeasts

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    "It took John Stockton three years, as I understand it, to be a starter," he said.
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    .John never got one single DNP in those 3 years, and averaged 18 and 24 minutes a game his first two years, playing behind a very good point guard.
     
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  4. mellow

    mellow Well-Known Member

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    Corbin antagonists ought to pay attention. Jazz believe they are following history by making young players wait like Stockton and Malone. There is another major event in Jazz history that more or less corresponded with the rise of Stockton & Malone--Frank Layden stepped aside and Jerry Sloan took over. So when the Core Four are ready, Ty might just be asked to step aside.---Just be patient. ;)
     
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  5. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    I just threw up in my mouth a little
     
  6. zman1527

    zman1527 Well-Known Member

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    But, but, but Stockton was not playing such stalwarts as Tinsley and Watson. Or Big Al or Paul Milsap.
     
  7. zman1527

    zman1527 Well-Known Member

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    While I have not heard a lot from Lindsey, everything I have heard is about history, tradition, and patience. Where is winning, and championships and such?
     
  8. Gas

    Gas Well-Known Member

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    I can't wait for the epic melt down this board is going to have when no trade is made. Everyone's false realities about the Jazz will come crashing in on themselves.
     
  9. Xsy

    Xsy Well-Known Member

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    Seriously, I've been preparing for the inevitability of Utah standing pat this trade deadline.

    Yet even though I see no trades on the horizon, you bet I'm still gonna melt down!
     
  10. mellow

    mellow Well-Known Member

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    You both are soft.

    I've been preparing myself for a Raja, Burks , Enes, the GS pick and a future 1st rounder for Landry Fields and Bargnani trade. My Jazz heart is cold and hard like a rock, but nothing will hurt it any longer.
     
  11. Weezur

    Weezur Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad they finally explained their strategy and I'm glad he's admitted that this is a rebuilding season. I think he's saying all this in response to the low turnouts in the Jazz arena.
     
  12. Karadrys30

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    I don't see a trade this season unless something really good comes along. Usually trades come with good and bad. But if you let players go to free agency you have cap and you can set your own limits on contracts. We can save some money for young players that will need bigger contracts and bring in free agents that complement those players. So who out there is going to bring Utah a championship this year? Maybe Labron but I don't think that trade is going to happen. Utah is a mid pack team right now and our trade assets are limited. Plus the guys we would need to greatly improve are unlikely to be moved.
     
  13. Hartsock

    Hartsock Banned

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    We should definitely take on some players we dont want just to get rid of al and or paul 3 months early. Definitely.
     
  14. MoreFeasts

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    Good point! John started over half the games his 2nd year too.
     
  15. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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    Thanks... I hadn't realized that he didn't get a single DNP in that time. But the whole "Stockton didn't start until his third year" argument always bugs the heck out of me.
     
  16. mellow

    mellow Well-Known Member

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    Can one of you young whippersnappers put a KOC face on this?
     
  17. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    Thought I'd point out some other jazz history... History of how the jazz handled the mail man. He came off the bench his rookie season and then the jazz traded Dantley to let Malone start. That's also part of jazz history as well.
     
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  18. midnight_hwy

    midnight_hwy Well-Known Member

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    Funny, the front office tends to forget this kind of history.
     
  19. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Uh. Cool strawman.
     
  20. YB85

    YB85 The One True Youngblood Contributor

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    Malone only came off the bench for five games in his rookie year and those are the only five games he ever came off the bench during his career.

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html
     
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