Looking at the Nets interest in Millsap. Trying to make it work.

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  1. Lion's Roar

    Lion's Roar Active Member

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    Basically the Nets seem to be interest in Millsap and the most tradeable assets are Humphries and Marshon Brooks. There were some rumblings the Jazz might "take a flyer" in Hump but that obviously isn't enough. The Nets have all their draft picks. But they will probably be in the 20's. So I set up various possibilities where other teams would give the Jazz a draft pick along with the one from Brooklyn. I also put together some stuff if the Jazz have interest in Teletovic (stretch four)or CJ Watson. I'm not saying I like all or even one of the trades. But Hump, and two 1st round picks with some other spare parts would be enough? I probably wouldn't do it unless the draft picks were actually good. But here are the scenarios I came up with.


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  2. GVC

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    1. Neither the Bucks nor Suns are giving up 2 firsts for Marshon Brooks.

    2. Nets 1sts are of very little value.

    3. The Jazz are better off re-signing Millsap or letting him expire than taking on Humphries.

    No thanks.
     
  3. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    Humphries really!
     
  4. candrew

    candrew Well-Known Member

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    I don't see any likely scenario where The Jazz and Nets pull off a trade that I would feel good about. The feeling in Nets land is they're "one player away" from competing with The Heat (which to me is laughable). I don't think they're looking to trade anything of immediate value and as it has already been mentioned, their draft picks are not that valuable.
     
  5. Stifle Tower

    Stifle Tower Punch Bowl Re-Filler

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    No thanks on Humphries. That leaves the Jazz with two big wasted salaries next season in Humphries and Marvin Williams. No room to go out and make an offer for Dwight Howard:)

    Seriously, it prevents the Jaz from doing much of anything in free agency. That's too steep of a price for Brooks. And that's what every other team is saying!
     
  6. fallenchicken

    fallenchicken Well-Known Member

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    The Nets don't have anything to offer anyone--they've completely handcuffed themselves for the next five years. Moving on
     
  7. jumpin bean

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    Deron Williams?
     
  8. QuinSnydersHair

    QuinSnydersHair Well-Known Member

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    You guys wouldn't take do it for Humphries (only one more year--could flip him), Brooks and two 1sts, in 2014 (loaded draft) and 2016? If, and only if, we have no intention of really re-signing Millsap, this is a no-brainer for me.
     
  9. slc

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    No one will give up a 2014 draft pick right now.
    It's way too valuable.
     
  10. QuinSnydersHair

    QuinSnydersHair Well-Known Member

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    The Nets, with the acquisition, probably think they'd only get around the 25th pick anyway. How much value does that really have to them? Millsap on the other hand could in their eyes make them legit contenders.
     
  11. orangello

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    If you think you will be a contender then you do.
     
  12. CALJAZZFAN

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    I'll pass on Kris Kardashian.
     
  13. green

    green Well-Known Member

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    I said it before and I'll say it again, Millsap for Humphries and two unconditional first rounders.

    The Nets are turning into the Knicks and those firsts will be gold in 2-5 years.
     
  14. CALJAZZFAN

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    This, I would consider. You may be right, Dwill and Joe Johnson are getting older and worse each year. Who has upside? I'd rather take Marshon Brooks than Kardashian. It's all about upside and I just don't see it with Kardashian, although if we lose Al (please God), Kris is a decent third big man, although Ty would probably start him over Favors and Kanter.
     
  15. Stifle Tower

    Stifle Tower Punch Bowl Re-Filler

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    I don't care how "loaded" a darft is; you're still picking in the late 20's. When was the last time the Jazz picked up anyone decent in the late teens or 20's? I guess a case could be made for Koufos. He's developed into a serviceable player...after many years. But it's more likely the Jazz wind up with a guy like Almond or Podkelzine. Better to have the cap space for FA's. Look at what Houston was able to do; they got a ton of players on the cheap because everyone else had already used up their available money.
     
  16. QuinSnydersHair

    QuinSnydersHair Well-Known Member

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    We'll still have good cap space.
     
  17. Stifle Tower

    Stifle Tower Punch Bowl Re-Filler

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    $22M in two bench players in Humphries and Marvin, + likely re-signing Mo and perhaps Foye. Add to that the other players under contract or that are needed to fill out the roster. Not a lot of cap space to play around with.

    And to those who think Humphries' expiring can easily be dealt, just look to this season: Millsap and Jefferson are both productive and you don't hear of any great deals. Splitter and Mills? Just ok. Bledsoe for Millsap? That one's better, IMO. But nothing to knock our socks off. What do you think the offer would be for Humphries next year?
     
  18. candrew

    candrew Well-Known Member

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    Not true at all - The Knicks have the advantage of being a big market team in the world's most famous arena - they'll be profitable and among sports most valuable franchises no matter what type of talent they put on the floor.

    The Nets don't have that luxury - Brooklyn is NOT Manhattan. The sale of The Nets to Prokhorov was approved because they knew he'd spend whatever it takes to win. With a mad Russian as the owner and Jay Z as the face of the franchise they will always be competitive.
     
  19. QuinSnydersHair

    QuinSnydersHair Well-Known Member

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    We have 26M committed next year for seven guys: Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Evans, Murphy, and very likely, Marvin. Even if we re-sign Mo to 6M and Foye to 5M, that's still just less than 38M on the books for nine guys. Add in Tinsley (or Watson) at about 2.5M and Carroll at about 4.5M and that's 45M for 11 guys. Throw in Humph's 12M and our two 1st rounders at about another 3M combined, and we're at 60M for 14 guys. That's very reasonable, less than we've committed in salaries in one year in quite some time, and would net us more assets. We'd have two 1sts in the 2014 draft and a couple of potentially valuable expirings in Humphries and Marvin. We'd have a young core of six (our current four + our two 1sts this year)...any of this could be mixed and matched to net us something of even greater value.

    I'm not saying trading Millsap is definitely the way to go. The Jefferson for Splitter deal, if it has legs, is probably the best deal I've heard. Then, Millsap for Bledsoe (plus filler) but I'd want a 1st in that deal too. But if those are off the table, Millsap for KH + two 1sts needs to be seriously considered.
     
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  20. green

    green Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure this is exactly what the Knicks thought when they were signing all those big deals...
     

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