Russian warships to Venezuela

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  1. str8line

    str8line Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner

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    Between Putin and Xi making pancakes together and Venuezela welcoming Russian warships I don't know how I can handle all this WINNING!

    ...More Russian military support for Cuba.

    ...An economy on the precipice even after trillions in handouts to corporations(the rich) on the backs of the plebeians.

    WINNING!

    TIGER BLOOD!

    BANGIN 7-GRAM ROCKS!
     
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  2. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    You cant have a picnic when the children are kicking and screaming.
     
  3. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Ok, how is two independent nations deepening ties the fault of the President?

    Don’t those SOBs know they need our permission to visit each other and travel international waters!
     
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  4. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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  5. framer

    framer Well-Known Member

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    Wait, I thought Trump and Putin were besties!!! Oh, that was LAST week. Sorry I get confused with the hysteria points sometimes.
     
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  6. Harambe

    Harambe Well-Known Member Contributor

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    We know you did, sweetheart.
     
  7. Gameface

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    No, they aren't "besties," the accusation is that Trump is Putin's bitch. They aren't equals. Putin is a ruthless anti-democratic leader. Trump is an idiot reality TV has-been.
     
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  8. str8line

    str8line Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner

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    Trump is a weak President. He lacks support at home and abroad. Putin recognizes this is the perfect time to expand his powers. Xi recognizes that in Putin he has a weapon against Trump. We're seeing who's WNNING and it's not Trump... or us.
     
  9. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    So basically you just hate Trump lol. So do most of us. That doesn’t make everything his fault.
     
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  10. DasJazz

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    Weak compared to who, Obama and his line in the sand or apology tours? That's laughable at best. Also, if you want to talk about Putin maneuvering, Crimea and Ukraine says hi. Oh wait, that disaster was under Obama's reign as well. Interesting.
     
  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    So you agree that Trump is weak then. And Obama was too. Right on
     
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  12. Safetydan

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    Is Obama still president? Somebody should tell this Obama guy to get his **** together since he's still the president.
     
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  13. DasJazz

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    Was simply asking if the stakes were president vs most recent president for comparison purposes. And if so, the current one is much stronger in global relations whether you like him or not.

    It's good to know you see Obama was in fact a weak president though. Shows that you can think for yourself, there are a few here that I'm not sure that is the case.
     
  14. fishonjazz

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    I have no idea if Obama was a weak president or not. Or Trump for that matter.
    I don't even know how anyone determines whether a president is weak or not.
    I just thought I might have caught you actually criticising Trump. I should have known better.
     
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  15. DasJazz

    DasJazz Well-Known Member

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    I don't adore the man just because I support his presidency if that helps clarify things. Every president deserves criticism, some more than others.
     
  16. str8line

    str8line Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner

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    Oh, you mean the Ukraine that used to be PART OF THE SOVIET UNION? We're talking Western Hemisphere here.
     
  17. Gameface

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    Trump has been especially weak on global relations. Probably the weakest in my lifetime.

    North Korea -- Despite acting like he brought Kim to the table and got something done, Kim did what NK has been doing for decades. Pretend to be open to negotiations only to give nothing of substance. Delay until the wind shifts and go back to what they were doing before. Not a single meaningful thing has been accomplished in regard to North Korea. Despite getting nothing of substance, Trump on what appeared to be a whim, when summoned across the border by Kim he came to heel like a puppy, slobbering all over his master.

    Iran -- There was a compromise agreement in place that had the support of basically the entire world. Trump flippantly threw it in the trash and now has zero leverage other than military strikes on Iran. Iran has been mostly sticking to the agreement because several other nations have remained committed to the agreement. But if Trump continues to harm the people of Iran with sanctions then Iran will completely abandon the agreement and begin enriching uranium for weapons use and will speed up their progress on becoming a nuclear power.

    China -- This one is complicated, because China hasn't been playing fair and at some point the U.S. had to take a stand. I certainly would have preferred a smarter more measured person be the one to make a stand, but a bunch of dumbasses elected a dumbass to be our President, so that's who we've got and he's decided to take a stand. China's in a bad spot. And when they see our President is willing to cause pain for the U.S. to cause them more pain it puts them to a hard decision. We'll see how it plays out. Might be a global recession and then we can all come back and ask ourselves if it worked and if it was worth it.

    Meanwhile, China is expanding their influence. As the U.S. is seen as more of a wrecking ball and less of a global stabilizing force many smaller nations are looking to China for the stability they used to get from the U.S..

    Russia -- The U.S. unilaterally pulled out of an arms treaty. Take that Russia! They did take it, now they are openly developing weapons that were forbidden by that treaty. The U.S. on the other hand, we're not doing anything different. We just ended the treaty for spite, I guess. Benefitted Russia, did nothing for the U.S., brilliant!

    Russia continues to expand their influence. Much like China, smaller nations are starting to see Russia as a better option than the U.S. because they realize just how tenuous agreements with the U.S. can be. One President makes an agreement with them, the next comes along and throws the agreement in the trash.

    NATO -- This is the most powerful alliance in the world. We supposedly have common interests. We've been working together for decades. So Trump insults them, disrespects them, and gets hung up on the false idea that NATO has dues (it doesn't) like it's a ****ing golf resort. He's even suggested the U.S would be better off without NATO (we wouldn't).

    Venezuela -- Trump made a push to oust Maduro and install Guaido. There was a coup that went out with a whimper. Reports are that Maduro had agreed to leave the country, but our friends the Russians essentially told him to call the U.S. bluff and stick it out. Months later Maduro hasn't left power and the only option for the U.S. is military force... but now there are Russian "advisers" in the country and Russian warships off the coast. Looks like Trump got completely outmaneuvered.

    Syria -- Sure, less ISIS, but Assad has essentially won the civil war. Another example of Russia playing this game better than the U.S.. Trump calls it a victory.

    I'm just going to stop now because I don't have all night.
     
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  18. str8line

    str8line Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner

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    Good post.



    Regarding Syria:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e9-b873-63ace636af08_story.html?noredirect=on
     
  19. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    It just seems that there is so much to criticize about trump yet you only say good things about him and instead criticize other politicians and past presidents.

    Your posts dont reflect that you think trump deserves criticism.


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  20. fishonjazz

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    Boom. Drop that mic bro


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