something i don't see that often anymore

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  1. DutchJazzer

    DutchJazzer Well-Known Member

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    is it me or is this a sight not often seen in the NBA. a point guard calling a play.
    or am i just not paying attention.
    or is it just nostalgia. a case of the past was always better.


    seems like half the plays back in the day there was a play called.

    stockton making sure every single jazz player on the court was on the same page.

    assuming it is is seen less now a day, why is it?

    because it gives the defense time to adjust? defense knowing what play is comming.

    or is it because all plays are dump it down to all so no need for hand signals
     
  2. franklin

    franklin Well-Known Member

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    I still see point guards calling plays and directing traffic.

    The Jazz team was together a long time so the offense was able to be very dynamic.

    The point guard role has been diminishing.
     
  3. candrew

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    When Stockton was the PG Jerry Sloan called about 90% of the set plays. Stockton just relayed them to the players.
     
  4. sojodave

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    It was amazing watching John bring the ball up, look at Jerry at what play he should run, and John would execute it. I heard on a radio interview once that Stockton wanted Jerry to call the plays. I don't think I've ever seen that with any other player.
     
  5. Dr. Jones

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    I see plays called all the time. The fact the PG role has morphed into more of a combo role (generally) kinda sucks, but they do call plays.
     
  6. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I also see plays called quite often, you're just not seeing them i guess dutch
     
  7. HeavenHarris

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    dutch doesnt watch games obviously it seems he just hates and is a racialist
     
  8. DutchJazzer

    DutchJazzer Well-Known Member

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    I noticed the last few games that i have not really seen it.
    It feels like stockton did it every single play.

    maybe that.
    but it kinda defined roles.
    coach is the boss.
    pointgurad the floor general
    and depending on what play is called all other 4 players now there roll
     
  9. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Ya point guard definately do it less now than before..... or we were just so used to stockton that it seems that way.
     
  10. carolinajazz

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    ....the reason you don't see hardly any plays called or run in today's NBA is clearly a result of basketball intelligence or brains. Today's NBA players have about as much brains as a turnip!
    They rely on athletic ability and have throw fundamentals out the window! Best quote to describe your typical NBA player of today's era was the coach for the Bull's. It went something like this: "We called a time out to set up a play for Curry. But I guess the 10,000 times we ran it in practice...weren't enough!"
     
  11. HeavenHarris

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    why are today's players dumber than back in the good ol days tho bro?
     
  12. DutchJazzer

    DutchJazzer Well-Known Member

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    thats why i mentioned it not seeing it that often.

    my english might be bad. but sometimes you see it. but it seems like it his happening less
     
  13. Stifle Tower

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    When you said "something I don't see that often anymore," I thought you meant a guy who could actually make 50% of his shots. It's amazing guards nowadays are considered good shooting guards or point guards if they make 40% of their shots, especially since defenses are softer.
     
  14. HeavenHarris

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    but bro we have the 3 point line nowadays
     
  15. Stifle Tower

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    High 30's, low 40's is great from behind the arc. But there's no reason guards should be shooting 40% on their 2-PT FG's.
     
  16. HeavenHarris

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    but what about long 2s bro? those are almost like 3s. i dont think alot of guards shoot 40% near the rim
     
  17. Stifle Tower

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    Not sure what your argument is. Overall shooting percentage for Stockton was 51.5% and he hit 38.4% of his 3's. I don't think Stockton was much different than the guards today in the sense he took outside shots, but certainly had his share of driving layups. His efficiency was >>>>>>> most guards today.

    The Jazz consistently led the league/were one of the top teams in terms of Team FG% until the 2003-04 season. Jazz had a resurgence in 2006, but then slipped back the past couple of seasons, despite being a team that hasn't taken many 3's. To me, that says the biggest problem for the Jazz, offensively, is that the players just can't make shots. Right now the Jazz rank 11th in the league. We're not as athletic as many other teams and have virtually no players that can create scoring opportunitiesby themselves (notwithstanding the rise-up 3 from Mo). The offense MUST become more effective and guys have to start hitting their open looks. It's difficult to believe that, despite us thinking we have a huge advantage inside with our bigs, only Kanter has a FG% > 50%. That's sad for inside players. And our guards aren't that great either: Hayward and Foye at 42%, Mo at a respectable, but not great, 44% and our backup PG's in the 30's.
     
  18. DutchJazzer

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    guards are flopping nowaydas.
    trying to draw a foul instead of trying to score the basket.
    that might take a few percentage point of the top
     
  19. HeavenHarris

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    bro ur not comparing eras tho. ur comparing stockton, who is a HOF. to other average guys.
    of course Stock is gonna look better. He's a HOFer. There are HOF guards today too who have good shooting %s.
     
  20. HeavenHarris

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    i think thats because of the rule changes. overall i think the rule changes have made the game better overall.
    but true flopping and trying to fool refs into calling something is a bad side effect.
    i think that is exactly why they are fining for flopping now. i think eventually the flopping rules will get stricter.
     

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