Stake Pres issues a warning...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by The Thriller, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    This has generated over 2400 comments on the Tribune's website. Do you think he will be released? What will happen? Do you agree w/him? What are your feelings with religious leaders using the pulpit to spew their political views?

    https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55876876-78/church-lds-political-devisser.html.csp

     
  2. honz

    honz Thunder Fanatic Contributor

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    A lack of separation between church and state in Utah? Earth shattering news!
     
  3. Hartsock

    Hartsock Banned

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    Whether he is right or wrong he sounds like a ****.
     
  4. UGLI baby

    UGLI baby Well-Known Member

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    Mormon stuff right?

    k.
     
  5. Dr. Jones

    Dr. Jones In pursuit of #9 Contributor

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    This stake Prez needs to know, right now, that UGLI baby is NOT entertained by his little charades/chananigans.
     
  6. UGLI baby

    UGLI baby Well-Known Member

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    Wake me up when someone from the bishoprick speaks on the matter.
     
  7. UGLI baby

    UGLI baby Well-Known Member

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    Modz merge with DATYONA thread
     
  8. Dr. Jones

    Dr. Jones In pursuit of #9 Contributor

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    sackroledge!
     
  9. Scat

    Scat Well-Known Member

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    Wow...
     
  10. honz

    honz Thunder Fanatic Contributor

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    Tell me I'm wrong. This story doesn't anger me in any way, by the way...was just making a general comment.

    My feelings on this go all the way back to when Utah tried to take my concert going rights away as a teenager. If you think the LDS religion doesn't directly affect politics and politicians in this state, you crazy.
     
  11. bigb

    bigb Free at last!!! Contributor

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    He said what probably 95% of Utah Mormons think. They may not use those same words, but it is in line with their thoughts. The reason this is in the news is that he is in a position of leadership and used that to actually say it.
    And yes, the Church has a huge influence in the politics of this state. That's only natural since the majority of the population is Mormon (thus naturally the elected leaders are as well).
     
  12. babe

    babe Well-Known Member

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    we were visiting my father in law yesterday. . . . he had his little stack of church flyers out on the living room table. Not LDS.

    There was a huge takedown in the pastor's editorial of not just Obama and the whole DINO/CFR agenda. . . .. but of the RINO/CFR agenda as well. . . . making no distinction but that Arnold Toynabe had prophesied the coming of Postmodernism, the breakdown of American Society and the American Nation along the lines of us becoming too rich, too powerful, and too conceited to abide by sound truths unless we buck the trends of the the past twenty one great civilizations and have some sort of return as a society to the virtues that once prospered us as a people.

    I haven't seen anyone in here, yet, except possibly Thriller, really really getting all hot and bothered like true progressives about the nefarious evils of the influence of obsolete and unfounded religious beliefs in undermining Science, Evolution, Socialism, and the wonders of Intellectuals and Professionals born and bred in the wonderland of Secular Humanism and the Self-Ordained Right to Rule All Mankind By The Precepts of Godless Faith our national government vests in All The Best Cartel Lobbyists, but no doubt it's just because it's patently offensive to pan Mormonism in a privately-owned forum whose owner is actually one of Them.

    I'll tell you what, Thriller, I'll start a thread about Obama's "Pastor" and the things Obama believes should be the precepts behind our government, OK?
     
  13. Julie Greengiant

    Julie Greengiant Active Member

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    You're wrong. This isn't a case of separation of church and state. That pertains to the First Amendment.
     
  14. honz

    honz Thunder Fanatic Contributor

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    Like I said I really could care less about this "story". I guess I should have started my own thread to bitch about basically having to convert to the LDS religion in order to be a scout/boy scout in this state, only being able to have 2 drinks per hour with your dinner whether you are driving or not, not being able to get some of my favorite microbrews in this state because of its liquor laws, and taking away one of my favorite clean activities because of the poisonous alcohol that is served in the upstairs of concert venues that you have to be 21 and have a wristband to get access to. Look, I made a huge sacrifice to move back to this state so I can't think that poorly of it, but the LDS religion definitely overreaches its boundaries at time when it comes to politics.

    Keep popping those legal painkillers though, Utah.
     
  15. Gameface

    Gameface Fire Controlman

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    Religion has no obligation to stay out of politics. It's the government that has a responsibility to stay out of religion. That said, of course people's beliefs affect their political views, so in that way without any direct effort at all the LDS church has an enormous amount of influence on the political decisions made in this state. The stake president took things a step further and from his official position in the church he advocated to his fellow church members specific political views. If the LDS church is cool with that then it is what it is. No wrong was done. But as far as I know the LDS church claims it stays out of these political issues, only advocating for certain moral issues that enter the political sphere. So, this issue is entirely within the LDS church. If they support those actions or not then that's their right.
     
  16. Bronco70

    Bronco70 world's worst Moderator

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    This.

    Officially, the church discourages politicking from the pulpit. That a stake president would do that is in bad form, and would certainly reflect negatively on him in my eyes. But, sadly, there are plenty of members who don't bother to do their own thinking, so a certain conservative culture has just become accepted, and nobody thinks twice when political jabs or rants are unleashed in a "worship" setting.
     
  17. Archie Moses

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    I personally know a bishop who threw a right hook and knocked out a speaker during sacrement because the speaker wouldn't stop talking about politics in church.

    Winning
     
  18. Jazz Spazz

    Jazz Spazz Inconceivable Moderator

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    mote, beam, mote, beam, mote, beam, mote, beam.... who's to tell. Tough call, glad I don't have to make it.

    I sure missed all the Church backseat moderating that goes on here. See, even I can see other people's mote Clearly around my own beam.

    Oh well, better get hacking on my beam again.
     
  19. GVC

    GVC Well-Known Member

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    If I were still Mormon, I'd be none too pleased with the dude, but I'm not, so...

    When I was at BYU, one of the counselors in my stake presidency gave a talk, using old/outdated quotes from past church presidents, about the evils of birth control in all its forms (not at all in line with the Church Handbook of Instructions at the time). A lot of people were pissed, and ultimately every ward in the stake got an apology in sacrament meeting from a member of the stake presidency (although not all, if any(?), from the offending counselor). Was fun.
     
  20. Bronco70

    Bronco70 world's worst Moderator

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    Bishops and Stake Presidents are regular ol' flawed humans, just like the rest of us. The can certainly offer guidance and counsel, but they can also be as retarded as the rest of us. I'm an active, participating mormon, and I don't believe any church leaders are above question. Not even the prophet. Not questioning is an unhealthy habit to develop. If the leaders are right, then the questions don't hurt anyone.
     

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