Suppose your name is Mike …

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  1. idiot

    idiot Well-Known Member

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    … Or Jrue, or maybe Malcom or Kemba, or perhaps even Tobias, Khris or Klay.

    Your agent tells you there’s possibly a very good basketball move for you to Utah this summer, depending on how thing work out between now and them.

    You respect the organization, and like the fit with the team, but you’ve heard that Utah might be a tough fit culturally. You know there’s hardly any African Americans there and the nightlife isn’t much to speak of; but more importantly, there’s this rumor going around the league that Utah is kind of a racist place. And, oh yeah, wasn’t there just that thing there where Russell Westbrook was taunted racially by a couple of fans?

    You realize that the Jazz organization acted quickly against racism in their house – good on them. But of course the organization’s actions only go so far. You need to know about the community, as well. You recognize (as any reasonable person does) that the majority of people in any place are good and decent. But it doesn’t take a lot of bigots to ruin a place. You still want to know if this racism tag is real. So you ask a few friends in the league if they’ve ever experienced racism from the community—just for fun, let’s call them Donovan, Raja, Ekpe, Jae, Thabo, or maybe even Jabari (who himself may have interest in moving to Utah). They respond that their personal experiences have been relatively good; so that’s a plus, … but…

    … But they know of others who haven’t had such great experiences. A couple even wonder if the respect would be there for them if they weren’t wearing a Jazz jersey. You know that disposability is part of the NBA experience. The team will let you go when it no longer needs you. And fans will root for whoever is in their team’s jersey. But you want assurance that basic human decency is not entirely contingent on utility to the team in this community. So you (or your agent, if he’s doing his job properly), decide to look into things more deeply. You want to know how the Utah community responded to the Westbrook issue. So you decide to check out the responses to the issue in fan forums, twitter, and so on.

    You notice first a large number of fans are on board with the team’s effort to increase community awareness on racism and refuse to accept racism as part of Jazz fan behavior. But then you also see that an alarming number of people seem to have no idea why Westbrook took the fans’ behavior as racist. Yikes … But maybe Utah is really that different a place. At least once it’s explained to them, they’ll understand, you hope. And most seem to.

    But there’s a minority (surprisingly vocal and stubborn) who continue to insist that those fan behaviors are not racist. And probably a smaller, but still vocal minority who argue that because so many Utahns didn’t know those behaviors were racist, Utah is really a much less racist place than most.

    Then you start to see there’s another minority (though again fairly vocal) that say the Jazz should just stop talking about racism because it’s making all the fans and everyone in the community look bad. If we want racism to go away, we should say as little about it as absolutely necessary. Talking about it makes things worse, they say. Closely aligned with this group seems to be another that says racism is everywhere: stop making it about Utah.

    Then there's a group (again a minority, but fairly persistent) who continually turn the discussion about racism in Utah into a call to have Westbrook arrested (or at least much more heavily punished than he was).

    Then, as you’re doing this research, you can’t help but notice all the people making it known how long they’ve known that Dante Exum is a bust and that the Jazz were foolish to trust him. Word of his injuries, rather than leading to well wishes, as came from his teammates, seems more of an occasion for (in the metaphor of a leading fan forum) dancing on his grave. Some fans want to remind everyone that Exum’s injuries are proof (of their long-held assertions) of his weak-mindedness and psychological unfitness for the NBA.

    Dennis Lindsey is going to tell you that the Jazz have the most passionate fan base in the league. That seems fair enough. But is that what you want?
     
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  2. jope

    jope Well-Known Member

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    For an idiot, I think you are reading into this too much. No one is going to go on a deep-dive to find out of if Utah will work for them. They already know that Utah isn’t a good fit for 90% of the nba. Now, If they care about winning (but maybe not championships), or getting a lot of money (Utah has to overpay), Utah has a shot. But if culture is their primary factor, players will choose LA, Miami, NYC, Houston, etc over Utah without even having to consider the racial parts of the Utah equation.

    The racial **** that keeps happening here only pushes us farther down the totem pole.
     
  3. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member

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    My name isn’t mike though.
     
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  4. tonstermits

    tonstermits Well-Known Member

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    Tobias?
     
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  5. Alfalfa

    Alfalfa Well-Known Member

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    Well, I know for sure it's not Jrue. There's only one Jrue on earth.
     
  6. Jack Strop

    Jack Strop Well-Known Member

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    Would Lindsey even call Mike? Jordan is what, almost 60? He can probably still push off, but likely can't make the shot afterwards.
     
  7. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Well Malcom currently plays in what is considered the most segregated and racist city in America (that has had two recent cases of player related community race issues), so I guess he could come.
     
  8. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    He didn’t choose the Bucks. They chose him. Why would he leave there (especially as a young kickass team who’s the 1 seed) and choose another racially questionable city who plays in the Western conference?
     
  9. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    money
     
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  10. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member

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    We won’t end up with the money it takes to sign a guy like Malcolm because we gonna end up guaranteeing Favs contract
     
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  11. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Racism is everywhere. It isnt going to stop anyone from signing with Utah.

    What keeps people from signing with Utah is that there is barely any black people in the city and the dominant culture is Mormon.
     
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  12. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member

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    Some diversity would help
     
  13. jom2003

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    Frank Jackson 2020
     
  14. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2018 Award Winner

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    I think the race issue would be more likely to hurt our chances with white players than black players. Just my opinion. But I don’t think it’s that large of a variable for either that it would swing the door either way to any appreciable degree.
     
  15. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    I hope not but i tend to think its a bigger factor than we think unfortunately


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  16. tonstermits

    tonstermits Well-Known Member

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    Utah has a fairly large polynesian population unfortunately they prefer football.
     
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  17. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    Have Mike talk to DWill.
     
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  18. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Also hispanic..... but again,


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  19. Nate505

    Nate505 Modstapo Lite Staff Member

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    So what you're saying is that Utah's chances of getting a high profile FA went from 1% down to 0.5%.

    Ok.
     
  20. SCS

    SCS Well-Known Member

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    While the incident with this fan certainly didn't do us any favors, I don't think that it will effect our free agency in any way. I would think that any player would be reasonable enough to realize that there are bad apples in every community but that the vast majority of people in this community and fan base are good. Just like anywhere else.
     
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