UFO Existence.

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  1. The Black Swordsman

    The Black Swordsman Well-Known Member

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    I never believed in UFO's really. I am open to the possibility of their existence. However today I found these. I don't know if I fully believe in UFO's yet as I like to consider my self a true skeptic (used skepticism to denounce the atheism dogma) but I am more open to their possibility now especially if these quotes are true.

    ASTRONAUTS
    "I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."
    — Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury & Gemini Astronaut
    "I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now."
    — Captain Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut
    "...I've been asked [about UFOs] and I've said publicly I thought they [UFOs] were somebody else, some other civilization."
    — Astronaut Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Commander
    "Mission control, we have a UFO pacing our position, request instructions."
    — Astronaut Cady Coleman
    "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. [...] It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
    — Captain Donald Slayton, Mercury Astronaut
    "Statistically it's a certainty there are hugely advanced civilizations, intelligence, life forms out there. I believe they're so advanced they're even doing interstellar travel. I believe it's possible they even came here."
    — Dr. Storey Musgrave, NASA Astronaut
    "For nearly 50 years, the secrecy apparatus within the United States Government has kept from the public UFO and alien contact information." "We have contact with alien cultures."
    — Astronaut Dr. Brian O'Leary
    "In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!"
    — Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.), NASA Astronaut
    "It followed us during half of our orbit. We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disappeared completely. It was an engineered structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls. The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings. Some places had projections like small wings. The object stayed very close to us. We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away.
    [...] Many cosmonauts have seen phenomena which are far beyond the experiences of earthmen. For ten years I never spoke on such things. [...] It only flew straight, but then a kind of explosion happened, very beautiful to watch, of golden light. This was the first part. Then, one or two seconds later, a second explosion followed somewhere else and two spheres appeared, golden and very beautiful. After this explosion I just saw white smoke, then a cloud-like sphere."
    — Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev
    NASA, CIA, ARMY, AIR FORCE ETC
    "Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is..." (1)
    "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." (2)
    — Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA, 1947-1950
    "When the long awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap" (1)
    "We had a job to do, wether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited." (2)
    — Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Scientific consultant for Air Force Project Blue Book
    "Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."
    — Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding, Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII
    "Flying saucers are real. Too many good men have seen them, that don't have hallucinations."
    — Captain Eddie Rickenbacker, "American Ace of Aces", medal of honor-winning commander of the 94th Aero Pursuit Squadron in WWI
    "Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, N.Mex., in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fibre optic technologies, particle beams, electromagnetic propulsion systems, depleted uranium projectiles, stealth capabilities, and many others.
    How do I know? I was in charge! I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth, and I think we ought to give it to them. I think they deserve it."
    — Colonel Philip Corso, Former head of the Foreign Technology Desk for United States Army Research and Development, National Security Council member, Eisenhower Administration.
    "We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
    — J. Edgar Hoover, first Director of the FBI
    "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... anything you can imagine we already know how to do."
    — Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works
    "This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious."
    — General Nathan Twining, US Air Force, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 1955-1958
    "Unidentified Flying Objects are entering our atmosphere at very high speeds and obviously under intelligent control. We must solve this riddle without delay."
    — Rear Admiral Delmar Fahrney, USNR
    "The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets".
    — General Douglas MacArthur
    "The Air Force had put out a secret order for its pilots to capture UFOs. For the last six months we have been working with a congressional committee investigating official secrecy concerning proof that UFOs are real machines under intelligent control."
    — Marine Corps Major Donald E. Keyhoe
    "...I made an effort to find out what was in the building at Wright Patterson Air Force Base where the information is stored that has been collected by the Air Force, and I was understandably denied this request. It is still classified above top secret."
    — Senator Barry Goldwater
    "The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known to our scientists, seems to me to be overwhelming. A very large number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose credentials seem to me unimpeachable.
    It is striking that so many have been trained observers, such as police officers and airline or military pilots. Their observations have in many instances have been supported either by technical means such as radar or, even more convincingly, by interference with electrical apparatus of one sort or another."
    — Baron Hill Norton, former British Chief of Defense Staff, Chairman, Military Committee of NATO, 1974-77
    ROCKET SCIENTISTS & PHYSICISTS
    "It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system. There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."
    — Dr. Hermann Oberth, the "father of modern rocketry"
    "I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis."
    — Dr. Walther Riedel, chief designer and research director at the German rocket center in Peenemunde
    "The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."
    — Dr. Maurice Biot, leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist
    "Of course it is possible that UFOs really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the government is hushing it up. I wouldn't like to comment on that."
    — Professor Stephen Hawking
    "Yes - most likely they are out there, perhaps even visted, perhaps on our moon."
    — Professor Michio Kaku
    "The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future, is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles."
    — Dr. Harold Puthoff, Director, Institute for advanced studies at Austin, Author of fundamentals of Quantum Electronics
    SOVIET / U.S. PRESIDENTS
    "The phenomenon of UFOs is real. I know that there are scientific organisations which study the problem. It must be treated seriously."
    — Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev
    "I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."
    — President Harry S. Truman
    "I'm not at liberty to discuss the governments knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject!"
    — President Richard M. Nixon
    "...I strongly recomment that there be a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena. I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment on this subject."
    — President Gerald Ford
    "I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it." (1)
    "I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside of this world." (2)
    — President Ronald Reagan
    "I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists."
    — President Jimmy Carter

    https://spaceflare.com/#quotes
     
  2. babe

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    everybody knows this. It's the topic on coast-to-coast all the time. We also know there are a lot of "greys" and other alien hybrid humans among us, mostly holding government office, especially in non-elected supra-legal fascist organizations like the UN.

    When Alex Jones writes about "Prison Planet", about the only angle he doesn't get is how we are being managed by the Orion Galaxy Corp.

    so don't worry, folks. Go on taking your meds. We are well-managed by the most experienced management in the Milky Way. Go to school, believe everything you're told. Vote for Incumbents and call anyone who doesn't like the Way Things Are "Crazy".
     
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  3. JGolds

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    I read all of that... i am impressed with myself lol
     
  4. orangello

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    One of my favorite shows is Ancient Aliens.
     
  5. SaltyDawg

    SaltyDawg Well-Known Member

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    I guess we'll find out Friday, right? Lol
     
  6. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

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    UFO's exist? No ****, Clevis Pumpernickle.
     
  7. Duck Rodgers

    Duck Rodgers Well-Known Member

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    Aliens are more New Age bull ****. I don't believe in Aliens, so I don't believe in Alien controlled UFOs. Human created UFOs? Absolutely, governments have ships and technologies that we've never seen. Angels and Demons being visible in the air in certain instances? Yes. But rare.
     
  8. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

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    Aliens are bull ****? Do you have any idea how vast the universe is?
     
  9. Stoked

    Stoked Modstapo Moderator

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    I think there are "aliens". I also think that they look just like we do. Worlds as numerous as the sands of the seas...
     
  10. Duck Rodgers

    Duck Rodgers Well-Known Member

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    So? Why does my mind need to go in circles when I recognize that fact? Does it have to mean anything beyond being so to promote wonder? That's all an expansive Universe means to me. It's another sandbox for humans to test their limits, gain some knowledge, have a little fun in. Nothing more.
     
  11. Bronco70

    Bronco70 world's worst Moderator

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    Does this discussion expect us to assume that UFO = alien spacecraft?

    Because, to my understanding, UFO means simply Unidentified Flying Object. And I believe there are plenty of things that have been seen in the sky that were not readily identifiable.
     
  12. babe

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    I live in the vast wasteland between Area 51, Dugway and the two ranges of top secret military development west of the Great Salt Lake, halfway between Nellis AFB and Hill AFB where some Air Force brass came to visit me one to politely ask permission if they could photograph my place "so they could program their missiles and aircraft to miss me". . . . "hell, yeah", I said.

    I see missiles flying over the sagebrush with a few feet of clearance, and fighter jets buzz my cows. At night I see lights of some craft or another, sometimes doing incredible maneuvers. . . . unless the desert updrafts/microburst downdrafts are just doing tricks with starlight or something. . . .

    I figure somebody knows what everything is. . . . so, no I don't believe in UFOs. . . . .

    I figure God knows pretty much who's in our space neighborhood and comes around sometimes without the use of craft. . . . maybe some kind of technology beyond our capacity as yet to analyze, test, detect, or explain. . . .
     
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  13. Hartsock

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    Aren't Aliens common knowledge nowadays? I mean it would be a bit pretentious to assume we are the only life in all of the universe.
     
  14. Hartsock

    Hartsock Banned

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    I'll pick you up on my way out to Wendover
     
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    theoretically speaking, they might have the tech to wipe the memory logs from our minds if we have met before.

    if you are not a person that does not only believe what you see, your logic will tell you that after all the findings astronomy gained for us, it's close minded to say we are the only intelligent living creatures in the entire universe, hence the idea or phenomenon of ufo is extremely possible.
     
  16. The Thriller

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    I don't think the issue is whether or not people believe we are alone. Obviously, the universe is too big for us to be the "only" form of life in existence.

    The issue is whether those other forms of life have/are visiting us.

    That's when people lose their credibility. It's funny how people always see aliens when they're drunk/high as hell or cannot recognize Chinese Lanterns in the sky or live close to an air force base.
     
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  17. Hartsock

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    I would contend that humans are probably the most technologically advanced of the species in the Universe. Nothing to back that up, just an opinion
     
  18. Stoked

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    I agree. I just don't think we are the group of humans with that tech.
     
  19. The Black Swordsman

    The Black Swordsman Well-Known Member

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    There is a book called "Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe" that says that the idea of earth being the only planet habitable in the entire universe isn't very far fetched. I am not saying I am agreeing with it (there are about 10^23 stars) but I am open to either possibility.

    Also in 2010 an article was published in Nature (which is the most prestigious scientific journal) called "A formal test of the theory of universal common ancestry" by Douglas L. Theobald. It came to the following conclusion "These results provide powerful statistical evidence corroborating the monophyly of all known life."

    So we have this very rare planet that a very very rare event happened. And this event only happened once in Billions of Billions of years. That is life.
     
  20. SaltyDawg

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    Someday that will be just as ridiculous as someone who is sure the earth is flat, or the universe revolves around the earth.
     

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