Jazz at Trailblazers 4/11 @8 PM Mountain Time

[latin jazz]

I hope Dante does great in the future but I don't know how anyone can call his rookie season anything but disappointing.

You can only be disappointed if your expectations are too high. There are many examples of 20-21 year old rookies who were awful, worse than Exum at 19. So don't put it as he is the worst rookie ever, there have been rookies with more college experience that showed less talent than what Exum has shown already. I'll give you one example:

2.6ppg, 1.3rbp, 0.3 apg, 40fg%, 18.2% 3P%. His name? Jimmy Butler.

Not everybody is born ready. Let's give him some time.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

You can only be disappointed if your expectations are too high. There are many examples of 20-21 year old rookies who were awful, worse than Exum at 19. So don't put it as he is the worst rookie ever, there have been rookies with more college experience that showed less talent than what Exum has shown already. I'll give you one example:

2.6ppg, 1.3rbp, 0.3 apg, 40fg%, 18.2% 3P%. His name? Jimmy Butler.

Not everybody is born ready. Let's give him some time.

Man Jimmy Butler played 8.5 minutes a game and played 42 games his rookie year. He took 0.3 shots a game from the 3 point line. Give an example of a rookie that put up worse stats than Dante Exum who played more 20ish or more minutes a game and played the whole season. I am having a hard time trying to find one, maybe I haven't just come across him. The closest I have found was Austin Rivers.

 

[prodigy]

I haven't even looked at Exum's numbers this season. You gotta give guys like him several years before you can really critique them.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I'm there with you. You have to remember that this is Exum's redshirt year. He isn't even on the team this year.

I just think of it this way:
WE drafted Hood this season and Gobert last year. Didn't have a pick in 2012, but got Burks in 2011 and Hayward in 2010. And traded a broken-down Deron for Favors. Found Booker at Goodwill and Ingles at a garage sale. And Millsap was left out on the curb by the neighbor on trash day and we re-purposed him. Not a bad start!

Burke, well he's like an American automobile made in Detroit. No matter how much the hype, he's still made in Detroit and was bound to disappoint. Exum was our Ferrari. You hang on to him because he's shiny, new and looks fast. But like mt brother-in-law once said, his spent more time in the shop. Just when he'd take it out for a drive to impress, it would have to go back in to the shop. So much promise, but he eventually sold it.

 

[mhindy]

Man Jimmy Butler played 8.5 minutes a game and played 42 games his rookie year. He took 0.3 shots a game from the 3 point line. Give an example of a rookie that put up worse stats than Dante Exum who played more 20ish or more minutes a game and played the whole season. I am having a hard time trying to find one, maybe I haven't just come across him. The closest I have found was Austin Rivers.

So if he'd had to start because they didn't have another real sf on the team he probably would have put up bad numbers too. It's rare that you have the combo of raw-ness and nobody in front of you that the Jazz have this year.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

I haven't even looked at Exum's numbers this season. You gotta give guys like him several years before you can really critique them.

I agree to a certain extant. It wouldn't be fair to call him a bust for example. But surely you believe you can see some signs of what type of player a person can become from very early on in their career. People don't normally go from shooting like Shaq to shooting like Kyle Korver over the course of their career for example. However there are people that improve like Dirk Nowitzki did with rebounding or Karl Malone did with shooting over the course of their career.

Sure Dante showed some flashes but I am sure if you look at highlights of Darko Milicic of his rookie year you can see "flashes" too. Did Exum show enough flashes? His shooting is horrible, his ability to get to the free throw line is historically bad. His defense is pretty good but not elite. So far that is a poor mans Andre Roberson who is barely in the rotation of an injured Thunder team.

I wish we had a thread before this year of "your expected performance of Dante Exum" before this year started. I am certain most would have predicted of a PER of greater than 6 (I know PER is a bad stat but pick any stat you want).

What are your guys expectations for Dante next year? The year after? Before the draft everyone was thrilled and thought we had the next Kobe. Now I think "cautiously optimistic" is a more accurate mind set.

 

[magic]

I agree to a certain extant. It wouldn't be fair to call him a bust for example. But surely you believe you can see some signs of what type of player a person can become from very early on in their career. People don't normally go from shooting like Shaq to shooting like Kyle Korver over the course of their career for example. However there are people that improve like Dirk Nowitzki did with rebounding or Karl Malone did with shooting over the course of their career.

Sure Dante showed some flashes but I am sure if you look at highlights of Darko Milicic of his rookie year you can see "flashes" too. Did Exum show enough flashes? His shooting is horrible, his ability to get to the free throw line is historically bad. His defense is pretty good but not elite. So far that is a poor mans Andre Roberson who is barely in the rotation of an injured Thunder team.

I wish we had a thread before this year of "your expected performance of Dante Exum" before this year started. I am certain most would have predicted of a PER of greater than 6 (I know PER is a bad stat but pick any stat you want).

What are your guys expectations for Dante next year? The year after? Before the draft everyone was thrilled and thought we had the next Kobe. Now I think "cautiously optimistic" is a more accurate mind set.

At least Exum is better than Kanter.

 

[latin jazz]

Man Jimmy Butler played 8.5 minutes a game and played 42 games his rookie year. He took 0.3 shots a game from the 3 point line. Give an example of a rookie that put up worse stats than Dante Exum who played more 20ish or more minutes a game and played the whole season. I am having a hard time trying to find one, maybe I haven't just come across him. The closest I have found was Austin Rivers.

You are missing the point. You know why he wasn't playing more than 8mpg? because he was really bad!, he wasn't ready for a bigger role and the team had depth. Luckily we could afford some burn for Exum this season and hopefully it will help his development. Some rookies that come to mind who arguably had worse rookie seasons (don't have time to look up if they surpassed the subjective 20mpg but they were rotation players): Anthony Bennet, Shelden Williams, Kwame Brown, Austin Rivers, Joe Alexander, etc. Even Kobe and Dirk had underwhelming rookie seasons. Dirk, particularly was awful.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Booker T and Hood.
**** a 10th overall pick I'm loving the players we already got.

Hood Might become the first real "star" swingman we'be ever had. Like McGrady level good.

 

[MTS]

You are missing the point. You know why he wasn't playing more than 8mpg? because he was really bad!, he wasn't ready for a bigger role and the team had depth. Luckily we could afford some burn for Exum this season and hopefully it will help his development. Some rookies that come to mind who arguably had worse rookie seasons (don't have time to look up if they surpassed the subjective 20mpg but they were rotation players): Anthony Bennet, Shelden Williams, Kwame Brown, Austin Rivers, Joe Alexander, etc. Even Kobe and Dirk had underwhelming rookie seasons. Dirk, particularly was awful.

Actually, Kobe and Dirk's rookie years were lightyears ahead of Exum's. Sheldon Williams, Kwame Brown, and Joe Alexander were all terrible and are no longer in the league. Anthony Bennett and Austin Rivers are both currently terrible.

I'm not arguing against having hope, and there's a case to be had for Exum being different than others who were terrible at 19, but the cold fact is, you're going to come up dry if you try to find 19 year olds that had worse rookie seasons than Exum and ended up becoming stars.

For the record I think Exum will end up becoming decent. But I am not holding out hope on him becoming a star.

 

[Jamezz]

I'm drunk. Go Jazz. Was Portland's home court advantage guaranteed before this game? If not, we're gonna start kicking some mfing *** next year.

 

[The Midnight]

Booker T and Hood.
**** a 10th overall pick I'm loving the players we already got.

Hood Might become the first real "star" swingman we'be ever had. Like McGrady level good.

LOL .. I love me some HOOD, but this is just too much for meh.... LOL