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Dumb pig cops getting smarter?

all these people who think this is police brutality how do you want cops to handle it?

Try talking to the girl. Also sometimes a law is broken and no one needs to be arrested/apprehended.
One time I j-walked and a cop saw me and simply let it slide and just told me not to do it again.
He could have tackled and cuffed me but didn't think it was necessary.
I like when cops use good judgement
 
After reading scats post, it seems that what happened is that there was a big pool party and some uninvited kids showed up to it (this is not uncommon) so the owner called the cops and when the cops showed up the kids ran (this typically happens to a party that cops show up too) and the cops tried to catch them.

I think that once the cops show up and the kids run away, now there is no longer a threat or any danger to anyone. The owner of the pool party tells the cops thankya and the party continues. No kids get chased down by cops, no girls get manhandled in their bathing suits and no video comes out for everyone to see. There are no victims and everyone is ok.
 
After reading scats post, it seems that what happened is that there was a big pool party and some uninvited kids showed up to it (this is not uncommon) so the owner called the cops and when the cops showed up the kids ran (this typically happens to a party that cops show up too) and the cops tried to catch them.

I think that once the cops show up and the kids run away, now there is no longer a threat or any danger to anyone. The owner of the pool party tells the cops thankya and the party continues. No kids get chased down by cops, no girls get manhandled in their bathing suits and no video comes out for everyone to see. There are no victims and everyone is ok.

According to Scats report there was also vandalism, drugs, tresspasing and assault.

Perhaps the girl thrown to the ground was indentified by the residents of the area as having been involved in the assault.

For a simply party yeah chase them off and move on. But if these others did happen then there should be charges against those specifically involved.

All this is simply uninformed which is why I hate these tapes.
 
A slight change in topic,

Why do we treat Teenagers differently in a law enforcement sense? I have heard that in many places their criminal records are sealed. I wonder if that benefits society. Wouldn't it be a deter criminal behavior if teenagers knew they could mess up their entire lives?

It's been well documented that teen-agers' brains are still developing and this, compounded by the physical and hormonal changes taking place, make them more impulsive and less likely to be able to predict the consequences of their actions - among other differences

https://www.livescience.com/21461-teen-brain-adolescence-facts.html


As far as the specific situation with the pool party for subdivision residents only - - the parents or whomever was sponsoring the party should have hired security to monitor who was allowed to participate - given wrist bands to those who were on the guest lists or something like that.

As far as the way things got so out of hand, I put a lot of "blame" on cell phones. My older kids somewhat predate the era of everyone having their own cell phone - - it was a time when if your kid was at a friend's house, you'd call the home phone. Certainly there were still plenty of incidents where crowds of uninvited "guests" would show up, but it was much worse by the time my youngest was in high school and all the kids had their own phones and their friends could just see from their location where they were and head over to crash the party. Or they send texts or whatever - - at any rate, it's a different ballgame these days.
 
According to Scats report there was also vandalism, drugs, tresspasing and assault.

Perhaps the girl thrown to the ground was indentified by the residents of the area as having been involved in the assault.

For a simply party yeah chase them off and move on. But if these others did happen then there should be charges against those specifically involved.

All this is simply uninformed which is why I hate these tapes.
Ya you are right. Good post
 
After reading scats post, it seems that what happened is that there was a big pool party and some uninvited kids showed up to it (this is not uncommon) so the owner called the cops and when the cops showed up the kids ran (this typically happens to a party that cops show up too) and the cops tried to catch them.

I think that once the cops show up and the kids run away, now there is no longer a threat or any danger to anyone. The owner of the pool party tells the cops thankya and the party continues. No kids get chased down by cops, no girls get manhandled in their bathing suits and no video comes out for everyone to see. There are no victims and everyone is ok.
problem is when you watch the video those kids are still in vincinty :S
so they ran away from the pool but stayed in the vinicty waiting for the cops to leave
 
Sure. It means this forum has too many unchecked trolls that type out some truly clownish Utah racist rhetoric. Same fellows that also call themselves 'Christian'; as long as they can drink by themselves, knock up their wives every year or so, and sit pat with their testimony for a con artist on a weekly basis, then discussions like this are clearly skewed towards inane.

He's not even from the states let alone utah so don't bring your ******** bias and paint us all with the same brush. DutchRudder DOES NOT speak for me or, frankly, for anyone else on this board.
 
on 2nd thought i fully support the cop reaching for his weapon 2 clothed men aproached him look at the 40 2nd mark. from the corner of your eye it might be construued as the guy going for a weapn with his hand in his side 2 men aproached him from the side who ar eclothed and seem to want to attack the cop.

i now think except for his sloppy handcuffing technique the officer should be given a medal by his majesty barrack Hussein Obama himself(ok this is not trolling just a joke).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEztYvMy0_8
those 2 guys from about the 38-44 second where making threatening advances towards an officer. he was right to reach for his gun.
the reason when u go for your weapon is when you fear your live is in danger 2 thugs coming at you, qualifies in my book as a life threatening situation.

but liberal armchair quaterbacks know better how to police a community i guess.
this is such a non story
 
The girl in the bikini that was taken down was one of the invited guests btw and was not charged with a crime. (Since she didn't commit one on the first place)
 
The girl in the bikini that was taken down was one of the invited guests btw and was not charged with a crime. (Since she didn't commit one on the first place)
so we should call the Guinness book of world records? first girl arrested or apprehended who did not commit a crime or did not get charged?
at the time she was running her mout she had to be subdued just like the other guys sitting on the ground

not because she did nothing and is innocent means she should run her mouth in a mob, because that will escalate a situation. whether she committed a crime, was invited or not that was irrelevant. she should have shut her mouth sat down(or if had the chance walk away) and waited for the situation to be handled. being a loud mouthed jerk in a mob where there already was a fight could escalate the situation.


are you trolling?
 
so we should call the Guinness book of world records? first girl arrested or apprehended who did not commit a crime or did not get charged?
at the time she was running her mout she had to be subdued just like the other guys sitting on the ground

not because she did nothing and is innocent means she should run her mouth in a mob, because that will escalate a situation. whether she committed a crime, was invited or not that was irrelevant. she should have shut her mouth sat down(or if had the chance walk away) and waited for the situation to be handled. being a loud mouthed jerk in a mob where there already was a fight could escalate the situation.


are you trolling?
Yep. Must remain silent at all times when police are around. Whether you did anything wrong or not.

Ban speech around police I always say
 
Lol.

That was hilarious in the beginning of the video where the cop is running and trips.

He was doing a barrell roll. I don't think it was a trip. It's even funnier that he was doing a barrell roll. The pig thinks he's in a movie.

Lol. What?

No way was he doing a barrel roll. If so, that has to be a top 5 funny moment in time ever. I don't believe it. He tripped. That's still funny.
 
Holy crap. It looks like every single person in a 5 miles radius is at that one intersection. I can understand the cops having a bit of confusion when there are 300 people milling around on the same street. They handled the situation wrong, but if you and your partner got called out to a domestic incident of kids at a pool uninvited and found 300 people that you suddenly thought you had to control, I could imagine anyone being a bit overwhelmed. But wow, if you don't have enough information maybe that is the first thing you do, gather more information. Don't just go nuts on everything.

That said I would like to see what happened right when they arrived and what information they had to work with. It is tough from a shaky video from some kids phone to really know everything that went down. It is interesting how context gets thrown out the window as long as we have some video footage that shows something we immediately perceive as bad. Good thing our justice system requires different standards than internet judges.

Edit: have to add, to make sure it is clear, I think what the cop did with that girl was excessive and that kind of **** needs to stop. But it all has a beginning somewhere and seldom do we see the beginnings to these things. Usually it picks up when some one decides this would make a cool youtube video and pulls out their phone.

According to Scats report there was also vandalism, drugs, tresspasing and assault.

Perhaps the girl thrown to the ground was indentified by the residents of the area as having been involved in the assault.

For a simply party yeah chase them off and move on. But if these others did happen then there should be charges against those specifically involved.

All this is simply uninformed which is why I hate these tapes.

Exactly fits my point from page 1.

Internet Idiots = turn on youtube to catch the "news" then rail about the horrible injustice from a snippet of a clip from somebody's cell phone. I am terrified about the voting population that is coming up through the youtube ranks.
 
on 2nd thought i fully support the cop reaching for his weapon 2 clothed men aproached him look at the 40 2nd mark. from the corner of your eye it might be construued as the guy going for a weapn with his hand in his side 2 men aproached him from the side who ar eclothed and seem to want to attack the cop.

i now think except for his sloppy handcuffing technique the officer should be given a medal by his majesty barrack Hussein Obama himself(ok this is not trolling just a joke).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEztYvMy0_8
those 2 guys from about the 38-44 second where making threatening advances towards an officer. he was right to reach for his gun.
the reason when u go for your weapon is when you fear your live is in danger 2 thugs coming at you, qualifies in my book as a life threatening situation.

but liberal armchair quaterbacks know better how to police a community i guess.
this is such a non story


The great and disgustingly terrible thing about these videos is the issue of cause and effect.

Yes the kids lunging at him while he was vulnerable (handling another person who was not cooperating) made him feel justifiably threatened. However, if he hadn't taken down that girl (and so poorly) in the first place the thugs wouldn't have felt the need to act all tough for the camera. So if the girl had cooperated, even if just to sit down on the lawn when asked, for questioning or whatever, the cop wouldn't have felt the need to tackle her to get her to cooperate. However, if the cops had had a better game plan at the beginning (like if you get a report of many people having a drug party why do you show up with only 2 guys in the first place?) and hand handled things better then it wouldn't have gotten out of hand. However, if there had been NO drug party to begin with (you know, people actually obeying the law) then the cops would never have been called out in the first place. So where along this line of cause and effect does it all fit?

To me the part bolded at the end is what gets blurred out. Either everyone thinks that the cop's bad handling of the whole thing justifies the illegal behavior (post hoc ergo propter hoc), or that somehow if a cop screws up it negates the illegal behavior that might have been occurring in the first place. What if this party had young kids who were being given hard drugs for the first time. Is it still worse that at cop tackles a teenager, or is it possible that something happening at the party might have been just as bad or worse? Does anyone even know? So without all the facts everyone is so willing to jump to judgement and execution. That is my beef with these.

For the record, if it proves out it is just another Dirty Harry wannabe then throw the mother ****in ******* in jail, and throw away the key. THAT **** HAS GOT TO STOP!

At the same time, STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLES!
 
Yep. Must remain silent at all times when police are around. Whether you did anything wrong or not.

Ban speech around police I always say

I get what you are saying, but there is a reason for the Miranda rights. You have a right to remain silent is for your own good. I agree we should have the lattitude to rail on all we want, as long as it doesn't cross the line into assault, but often it is for your best good in a situation like that to remain silent and speak only when directly being spoken to.
 
I don't know.. I just feel like anthropoliteia is a drummed up manifestation of an academia sub-group attempting to justify an of-little-use degree.

I do have a serious question for NAOS, though. If I provide you a used tampon, can you tell me what period it's from?
 
I get what you are saying, but there is a reason for the Miranda rights. You have a right to remain silent is for your own good. I agree we should have the lattitude to rail on all we want, as long as it doesn't cross the line into assault, but often it is for your best good in a situation like that to remain silent and speak only when directly being spoken to.
I don't think the "reason for Miranda rights" is so that you won't interfere with a cop doing his job. It's a post-arrest reminder that even though they are likely to ask you questions you are not required to provide answers.
 
I don't know.. I just feel like anthropoliteia is a drummed up manifestation of an academia sub-group attempting to justify an of-little-use degree.

I do have a serious question for NAOS, though. If I provide you a used tampon, can you tell me what period it's from?
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