2015 Annual JazzFanz All-Time NBA Draft

[Siro]

I remembered that to be pretty brief though. DWill had the best of their head-to-head match-ups but overall I don't think there was much dispute that PG is clearly a better player.

And this matters because? The draft is about the players at their peak. And at their peak, DWill and CP3 were comparable.

 

[The Midnight]

And this matters because? The draft is about the players at their peak. And at their peak, DWill and CP3 were comparable.

Again it comes down to voters' perception I think. There is a reason DWill fell that far. Won't say more than that cos those aren't my players.

 

[The Midnight]

Hack is OTC.... are you still alive bro???!!!

 

[Elizah Huge]

In previous years with this thing the true best teams had a mix of old and new, since really that is the best mix. I would take many of the older players over the newer, and I think the talent level and results hold out. The problem is the voters go "no wait, I watched Dwight Howard dunk with a superman cape. Bill Russell is always in black and white. Howard is obviously better, duh." or "you know I heard they exaggerated everything back then. I heard Wilt was really only 6'6" and they just said 7'2", obviously the players today are so much bigger and stronger there is no way Wilt can be better than today's center, he would get destroyed." and then vote wrong. So this year I think many of us are trying to assemble teams that can be voted to win, not necessarily the strongest teams possible.

And there is the fun factor which is why I went for a blockbuster trade. Just to spice it up a bit.

I agree with most of this. Regardless of voters, Pettit in the 8th round and Cousy in 10th round is a lot different than taking them in the 3rd or 4th round and having them as starters. If I remember right, Ellis was saying he should have stuck with legends when filling out his bench after his matchup last year.

 

[The Midnight]

Welp, I'd have to say last year's crowd was a lot more talkative.. haha.. they reached 180+ pages when the draft part was done...


We've barely got half that so far.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Welp, I'd have to say last year's crowd was a lot more talkative.. haha.. they reached 180+ pages when the draft part was done...


We've barely got half that so far.

I was thinking something similar, for one thing trading with this crowd is a lot harder than it was last year. Everyone seems happy and content with their teams and last year everybody was looking for that deal that would put them over the top. Add the missing piece to their team so to speak.

 

[Elizah Huge]

White Chocolate had to go to work

Via proxy, he selects

PG: Bob Cousy

[video=youtube_share;o-xa6546ixc]https://youtu.be/o-xa6546ixc

6× NBA champion (1957, 1959-1963)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1957)
13× NBA All-Star (1951–1963)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1954, 1957)
10× All-NBA First Team (1952–1961)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1962, 1963)
8× NBA assists leader (1953-1960)
NBA 25th Anniversary Team
NBA 35th Anniversary Team
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
No. 14 retired by Boston Celtics
NCAA champion (1947)
Consensus first-team All-American (1950)
No. 17 retired by Holy Cross

White chocolate selects

C: Willis Reed

2× NBA champion (1970, 1973)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1970, 1973)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1970)
7× NBA All-Star (1965–1971)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1970)
All-NBA First Team (1970)
4× All-NBA Second Team (1967–1969, 1971)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (1970)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1965)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1965)
NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
No. 19 retired by New York Knicks

Thank you, Ellis. It's funny because I had Cowens as the next guy I wanted after Cousy and he went right after. I think a lot of our big boards are pretty similar. That being said, the current players are a lot harder to pin down and I think I'm not nearly as high on some of them as most of you. Some of you guys are taking them early over legends, but I totally understand, recency bias w/ the voters.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I agree with most of this. Regardless of voters, Pettit in the 8th round and Cousy in 10th round is a lot different than taking them in the 3rd or 4th round and having them as starters. If I remember right, Ellis was saying he should have stuck with legends when filling out his bench after his matchup last year.

Yep. My strategy last year should have been exactly that. I had all HOF guys except Kawhi Leonard and Damian Lillard. This year, I needed some shooters. It was so hard to pass on Pettit and Cousy, but they didn't fit my needs as well.

 

[The Midnight]

I was thinking something similar, for one thing trading with this crowd is a lot harder than it was last year. Everyone seems happy and content with their teams and last year everybody was looking for that deal that would put them over the top. Add the missing piece to their team so to speak.

Yeah last year you and QSH were really active trading wise so that was fun. This year we sort of rush through it a bit more. Oh well.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Thank you, Ellis. It's funny because I had Cowens as the next guy I wanted after Cousy and he went right after. I think a lot of our big boards are pretty similar. That being said, the current players are a lot harder to pin down and I think I'm not nearly as high on some of them as most of you. Some of you guys are taking them early over legends, but I totally understand, recency bias w/ the voters.

I think the problem is that many of the All-Time guys just aren't very good shooters. At least long-distance shooting. If you discount shooting and spacing in this thing, people sing you in the voting. Cousy, for all his bravado and brilliance, had a horribly ugly shot. If you're building a transition team, he's perfect. In the half-court. . . Not so much.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Yeah last year you and QSH were really active trading wise so that was fun. This year we sort of rush through it a bit more. Oh well.

If this is rushing through it, I don't want to see what slowing down would be.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think the problem is that many of the All-Time guys just aren't very good shooters. At least long-distance shooting. If you discount shooting and spacing in this thing, people sing you in the voting. Cousy, for all his bravado and brilliance, had a horribly ugly shot. If you're building a transition team, he's perfect. In the half-court. . . Not so much.

Well, it's a hard thing to gauge because they had no three-point line.

Pete Maravich probably would have averaged 40+ a game if he had one.