All-Time NBA Draft Final Four: Ellis269 vs. One Love

[Hotdog]

So you're saying that a Manu-Pau combo would've won two titles? Got it.

Why not?

That team was great because of their length. It was not just Pau. The combination of Pau, Odom, and Bynum was really hard to beat. That was 3 seven footers in the front court. Pau Gasol was arguably the best big man in the game at the time. He was playing out of his mind. So ya, Ginobli in that mix would have been very good too.

 

[spycam1]

Manu pops out in every single advanced metric I've seen. Efficient, imaginative, etc., etc.

Do you have links to those advanced stats?

 

[Hotdog]

Look, I know this is a very hard argument to win. It's just a personal opinion of mine. It's hard to sell what isn't main stream.

But this all started because One Love brushed off Ginobili and Parker like they were scrubs, and Duncan was dragging their dead carcasses around.

That just isn't true. Ginobili and Parker have played huge rules in Duncan winning titles. Regardless if you think they are or aren't on Wade and Kobe's level, and it really doesn't matter.

Duncan needed help from other great players just like every other great player has.

 

[The Midnight]

Look, I know this is a very hard argument to win. It's just a personal opinion of mine. It's hard to sell what isn't main stream.

But this all started because One Love brushed off Ginobili and Parker like they were scrubs, and Duncan was dragging their dead carcasses around.

That just isn't true. Ginobili and Parker have played huge rules in Duncan winning titles. Regardless if you think they are or aren't on Wade and Kobe's level, and it really doesn't matter.

Duncan needed help from other great players just like every other great player has.

When did I ever say Ginobili and Parker were scrubs? Nobody here is saying that.


Hack going full retard up in here, LOL ...

 

[Hotdog]

What ya'll need to go do is re watch the 2005 NBA finals against the Pistons. Or watch some highlights. Ginobili was freaking beast. He was the best player on the floor. Got robbed from the finals MVP. All Spurs fans will tell you that.

 

[Hotdog]

Tim Duncan has to be one of the most underrated player to have ever played the game.


He didn't have Pippen (Jordan), he didn't have Wade (LeBron), he didn't have Kobe (Shaq), etc, all of whom are future HOFers. He only had Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili who are good players but I don't think you can say they are one of the GREAT players of all time.


To have taken a team with Parker and Ginobili to win 4 Championships (not counting the 1 he won with Robinson) is a GREAT achievement and is a testament to how valuable he is as a team player.

This IS was you said.

 

[The Midnight]

This IS was you said.

That's not saying they're "scrubs".


Haha.. you crazy bro????

 

[Hotdog]

That's not saying they're "scrubs".


Haha.. you crazy bro????

You said they weren't great players, and you basically said they weren't HOF's. Which they are on both accounts.

And you said he HAD TO TAKE THEM TO THE FINALS. In a way that basically says he could have had better, or they weren't very good.


Those are your words clown

 

[The Midnight]

You said they weren't great players, and you basically said they weren't HOF's. Which they are on both accounts.

And you said he HAD TO TAKE THEM TO THE FINALS.


Those are your words clown

I still stand by that.


How many rings would Ginobili + Parker win on their own without Duncan? Replace Duncan with Chris Webber and they'll be lucky to even reach 1 NBA Final.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Bottom line Manu is ****ing awesome, but he is not a top-5 shooting guard of all-time like Wade and Kobe.

 

[Hotdog]

I still stand by that.


How many rings would Ginobili + Parker win on their own without Duncan? Replace Duncan with Chris Webber and they'll be lucky to even reach 1 NBA Final.

Lol.

Dude, your logic is so broken and flawed.

Wtf are you even trying to say?

How many rings would Pippen win without Jordan. None, that's right. We saw that play out.

How many rings would Wade and Kobe win with out Shaq, and Kobe without Pau. None. And it works the same both ways.

Nobody is arguing Duncan wasn't great. But he isn't winning any championships either without Robinson, Ginobli, and Parker. He wouldn't win any without help.

Grow a brain.

 

[The Midnight]

Lol.

Dude, your logic is so broken and flawed.

Wtf are you even trying to say?

How many rings would Pippen win without Jordan. None, that's right. We saw that play out.

How many rings would Wade and Kobe win with out Shaq, and Kobe without Pau. None. And it works the same both ways.

Nobody is arguing Duncan wasn't great. But he isn't winning any championships either without Robinson, Ginobli, and Parker. He wouldn't win any without help.

Grow a brain.

You've just helped me prove my point. Kobe was good enough to have won it again TWICE with Pau even after Shaq left.


That's the point. How many rings would Ginobili have won with Pau?


Exactly.