So I was walking out the door for work this morning and

[Miggs]

Maybe I'm biased cuz my parents saved $120000 for a down-payment on a home while the mom was unemployed, and 3 kids were being raised.

How long did that take? How much money did your father earn? Was any of that money inherited?

 

[Deleted member 848]

TL;DR yea **** is still pricy here, but there's a massive job market and it's pretty nice here in the summers. Very fine with living in Edmonton for the rest of my life. The fam is still paying off the mortgage though-- things got pushed back when my uncle came from Europe & we had to help fundraise for his chemotherapy.

 

[Deleted member 848]

How long did that take? How much money did your father earn? Was any of that money inherited?

Inherited? Lol. My parents grew up on the farm. Moved to Canada in 1995 with about $60. He earned about $60000 as a machinist in an oil company. We just lived EXTREMELY frugally growing up. And the cost of living here is very low. $400 a month for apartment rent at that time. My mom made dinner from scratch everyday-- so we never dined out. Annual trip to Victoria to visit my uncle, where maybe $1000 was spent.

 

[fishonjazz]

I have five 6-week old chickens and we're pretty sure they're all female. --Keeping an open mind about their gender, doe.

Lol.

All their peckers are on their heads

 

[Miggs]

Inherited? Lol. My parents grew up on the farm. Moved to Canada in 1995 with about $60. He earned about $60000 as a machinist in an oil company. We just lived EXTREMELY frugally growing up. And the cost of living here is very low. $400 a month for apartment rent at that time. My mom made dinner from scratch everyday-- so we never dined out. Annual trip to Victoria to visit my uncle, where maybe $1000 was spent.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[fishonjazz]

S

We can agree to disagree-- but good luck trying to pinpoint a "gene" that makes girls like pink, and princesses more. Stereotypes ring true because agents of socialization are a very real thing.

Yes, there could be some physiological evidence behind the nurturing spirit of mothers (traced to prolactin, or oxytocin) but that is more reflective during mid-pregnancy or neo-natal motherhood.


There are caring, nurturing, snuggling girls. There are distanced, tomboyish, rebellious girls.

There are boys who want to wrestle and break shelfs from standing on them.

Then there are three boys like in my family, a family where the boys have literally never wrestled with each other, and would rather just sit together and hang out and walk around n ****.


People are different because PEOPLE are different, by and large-- trying to pin differences based on 1 tiny chromosome is ignoring how much of an impact that 23 larger ones can have-- and this is not even taking into account how genetics plays a much smaller role in personality-determination that many expect.

Wait, so you are saying that there are exceptions?

Thanks for that valuable, previously unknown info.

 

[bigb]

We were lucky to get the home when we did. $300000 total, 2500 sq ft., we were the first home-owners. It's in a pretty lame suburb-- but my parents had lived in ****ty government housing built for refugees for a big chunk of their life & they just wanted something where it was 100% their own from the start.

I say lucky cuz we moved in 2003, and the housing market exploded maybe half a year later. Our home would have cost $800000 if we bought it in 2005.

And $150000 in 2009 after the market tanked.

 

[Siro]

Lol. My first thought was that maybe you're thinking about adoption, and can't decide whether a boy or a girl would be best.


Just adopt one boy & one girl. Problem solved

I was asking out of curiosity about sex and gender differences and how they relate from early age, physically and mentally. I thought it'd be interesting to hear what people with children think. I'm already familiar with what children are generally like, lol.

As for adoption, I looked into that. As a single man, it's practically impossible (single woman? No problem!). I also don't know if I want to raise a kid on my own.

Finally, 100k is a ****-ton of money! I'm in my early 30s. No way I could have saved up anywhere near that much. I actually have very little saved up since I support my mom, and I'm terrible with my money. But IF I DO DECIDE to get a baby through adoption or what have you (mafia), then I'd take out a loan. I can probably afford that.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I was asking out of curiosity about sex and gender differences and how they relate from early age, physically and mentally. I thought it'd be interesting to hear what people with children think. I'm already familiar with what children are generally like, lol.

As for adoption, I looked into that. As a single man, it's practically impossible (single woman? No problem!). I also don't know if I want to raise a kid on my own.

Finally, 100k is a ****-ton of money! I'm in my early 30s. No way I could have saved up anywhere near that much. I actually have very little saved up since I support my mom, and I'm terrible with my money. But IF I DO DECIDE to get a baby through adoption or what have you (mafia), then I'd take out a loan. I can probably afford that.

Isn't ther a general financial principal against borrowing for a depreciating asset?

 

[RandyForRubio]

Inherited? Lol. My parents grew up on the farm. Moved to Canada in 1995 with about $60. He earned about $60000 as a machinist in an oil company. We just lived EXTREMELY frugally growing up. And the cost of living here is very low. $400 a month for apartment rent at that time. My mom made dinner from scratch everyday-- so we never dined out. Annual trip to Victoria to visit my uncle, where maybe $1000 was spent.

Kinda reminds me of my grandparents. Came here with no money, neighbor supported them, he got enough money to get some land and it all started from there. My dad said growing up they used a sagebrush as a Christmas tree BC there weren't any trees around and my grandpa wasnt about to pay to get one. Grandpa was a pretty smart guy though. Got an honorary doctorate here in the states for his work on potatoes, and eventually became very successful and very unfrugal. My dad is still kind of a tight wad though. Won't throe anything away.

 

[♪alt13]

S

We can agree to disagree-- but good luck trying to pinpoint a "gene" that makes girls like pink, and princesses more. Stereotypes ring true because agents of socialization are a very real thing.

Yes, there could be some physiological evidence behind the nurturing spirit of mothers (traced to prolactin, or oxytocin) but that is more reflective during mid-pregnancy or neo-natal motherhood.


There are caring, nurturing, snuggling girls. There are distanced, tomboyish, rebellious girls.

There are boys who want to wrestle and break shelfs from standing on them.

Then there are three boys like in my family, a family where the boys have literally never wrestled with each other, and would rather just sit together and hang out and walk around n ****.


People are different because PEOPLE are different, by and large-- trying to pin differences based on 1 tiny chromosome is ignoring how much of an impact that 23 larger ones can have-- and this is not even taking into account how genetics plays a much smaller role in personality-determination that many expect.

...but people are born with their sexual orientation?

I thought my second child would be much like my first. It was clear early on that that wasn't going to happen. Is it because he got a different selection of our genes? Is it because he got a Y chromosome? Is it because he was hooked up to oxygen tubes for the first 10 days of his life? Is it because he is our second child and we are more confident as parents? Is it because we're 30 instead of 20? Is it because we treat him differently even as an infant because he is a boy? Is it because he identifies with being more like myself than his mother and sister?

It's probably all these things. Most boys are going to share a good number of those factors. Most girls will not share them. That's probably why so many parents report similar observations with regards to the differences between boys and girls. Being able to point to 'agents of socialization' as a cause doesn't make the (common)differences between the sexes any less valid.

 

[LogGrad98]

Isn't ther a general financial principal against borrowing for a depreciating asset?

I borrowed 50 bucks for a red light visit. Does that count?

 

[Dr. Jones]

I borrowed 50 bucks for a red light visit. Does that count?

Maybe.

 

[♪alt13]

I borrowed 50 bucks for a red light visit. Does that count?

Are you into gray hair? If yes then it's still appreciating and it doesn't count. If no you got 'screwed'.

 

[NAOS]

I have five 6-week old chickens and we're pretty sure they're all female. --Keeping an open mind about their gender, doe.

I'm pretty sure one of my cats woulda been a butch lesbian, but then I had a veterinarian take all her sexual organs away, which altered her hormones a lot.

my dog loves wearing clothes. I DID NOT encourage this behavior.

by the way, I wasn't trying to troll this thread. These are all the honest to goodness truth.

 

[Deleted member 848]

...but people are born with their sexual orientation?

Seeing as it's something that's seen elsewhere in the domains of life sans-AoS, I'd say it's rather likely.

I thought my second child would be much like my first. It was clear early on that that wasn't going to happen. Is it because he got a different selection of our genes? Is it because he got a Y chromosome? Is it because he was hooked up to oxygen tubes for the first 10 days of his life? Is it because he is our second child and we are more confident as parents? Is it because we're 30 instead of 20? Is it because we treat him differently even as an infant because he is a boy? Is it because he identifies with being more like myself than his mother and sister?

It's probably all these things. Most boys are going to share a good number of those factors. Most girls will not share them. That's probably why so many parents report similar observations with regards to the differences between boys and girls. Being able to point to 'agents of socialization' as a cause doesn't make the (common)differences between the sexes any less valid.

I never said the differences between sexes aren't valid-- I'm just slating them as significantly skewed by agents of socialization. Since agents of socialization are social-constructs, this weakens the accuracy of deterministic statements like "girls are more like _____ while guys are more like _____" because while that might be the case in contemporary society, it's more indicative of how we have decided to create those differences in reality as opposed to biological predispositions.

 

[♪alt13]

Seeing as it's something that's seen elsewhere in the domains of life sans-AoS, I'd say it's rather likely.



I never said the differences between sexes aren't valid-- I'm just slating them as significantly skewed by agents of socialization. Since agents of socialization are social-constructs, this weakens the accuracy of deterministic statements like "girls are more like _____ while guys are more like _____" because while that might be the case in contemporary society, it's more indicative of how we have decided to create those differences in reality as opposed to biological predispositions.

Just to be clear.

Are you arguing that gender differences are primarily social and that sexual orientation is primarily biological?

 

[Gameface]

I think girls liking pink and boys liking to get dirty absolutely has to do with them playing off social ques. If our society expected boys to stand erect with stern looks on their face while not speaking then we'd miraculously discover a whole generation of boys who seemed to have a tendency to stand erect, have a stern look and keep their mouths shut.

Those little laughs and smiles mean the world to our babies.

 

[NAOS]

lol. Birds and bees.

 

[NAOS]

what are your neighbors doing right now, guys. Ever think of that?