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Is the death penalty morally wrong?

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https://www.yahoo.com/health/should-we-execute-the-mentally-ill-126046693072.html

But last week, the jury heard a different story. They heard James Holmes’s story.

From family, friends, and others who know the man behind the brutal attack in Aurora, Colo., the jury learned that Holmes was a child loved by his family, uncommonly bright. And then they listened to an account of the 27-year-old’s slow descent into schizophrenia.

At age 12, according to a CNN report, Holmes began isolating himself from other boys instead of playing with friends. In high school, his cross-country running coach described him as otherworldly and uncomfortable with close interaction with his teammates. After college, he returned home, where he’d stay up all night and sleep all day. Colleagues at a pill factory where he worked recounted that he frequently stared into space on the job.

Eventually Holmes went to grad school at the University of Colorado’s Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora to study neuroscience, where he was suddenly failing instead of garnering the straight-A marks he was used to. He said he had a “broken brain,” which the neuroscience student finally decided was unfixable.

According to the defense, Holmes had a theory.

He sent his disturbing idea of “human capital” to CU-Denver student psychiatrist Dr. Lynne Fenton through the mail just hours before he entered the theater where he opened fire on the audience. In it, he described how he might increase the value of his own life by taking others’ lives — a nonsensical, obsessive notion.
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Is it ethical to execute someone with mental illness. Is it ethical to even execute people at all.

I found this article interesting and it brings up some interesting points, none of which sway me from my full support of the death penalty. This guy needs to go away, if nothing else than to give the families some peace. But then again in his state it may be worse to live it out.

Thoughts?
 
I find the death penalty viable and even necessary.
However, I'm not sure I would execute a mentally ill person that, you know, really is ill.
 
nah not at all why should it be.
in a society we kill babies, we give bombs weapons and money to Iran, the ex secretary of state is a CRIMINAL and thief and is running for president. 0 privacy. a overall lack of moral decay.
it is ok to kill CRIMINALS
 
We are fallible people, with imperfect perceptions and understandings of the world we live in.

We kill people we believe to be guilty but we are sometimes wrong.

It is not okay to be wrong when it comes to the death penalty. I do not want someone killed on my behalf if we cannot be 100% certain that they are guilty.

I also find it concerning that we give the power to our government to execute us.

I also do not see what is gained by execution that is not gained by lifetime incarceration.
 
Gameface said:
We are fallible people, with imperfect perceptions and understandings of the world we live in.

We kill people we believe to be guilty but we are sometimes wrong.

It is not okay to be wrong when it comes to the death penalty. I do not want someone killed on my behalf if we cannot be 100% certain that they are guilty.

I also find it concerning that we give the power to our government to execute us.

I also do not see what is gained by execution that is not gained by lifetime incarceration.
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The cost of incarceration for one. I hate that some selfish dick can go slaughter innocent people and then be fed and housed for life. Burden the courts (more money) with appeals and write books about the murders. ********.
 
Dr. Jones said:
The cost of incarceration for one. I hate that some selfish dick can go slaughter innocent people and then be fed and housed for life. Burden the courts (more money) with appeals and write books about the murders. ********.
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Yeah, I expected that response. The "It's better to kill a person than to pay for them" response. I don't agree with it. Not only that, but it costs more to kill a person then to keep them in prison for life, so, like it doesn't make sense anyway.

Just to cut you off at the pass, if what you're going to say next is that it shouldn't cost so much to kill a person because they shouldn't get so many chances at appeal, well again, I don't agree. I believe in the due process of law and all people's right to a full and fair trial. When deciding if a person should be killed, for our own benefit and not theirs, we should make absolutely sure the person WE are killing at least deserves to die.

Which brings me to my next disagreement with the death penalty. The morbid act of constructing death machines and giving people the job of executing their fellow humans. I don't want to live next door to an executioner any more than I want to live next door to a murderer.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah, I expected that response. The "It's better to kill a person than to pay for them" response. I don't agree with it. Not only that, but it costs more to kill a person then to keep them in prison for life, so, like it doesn't make sense anyway.

Just to cut you off at the pass, if what you're going to say next is that it shouldn't cost so much to kill a person because they shouldn't get so many chances at appeal, well again, I don't agree. I believe in the due process of law and all people's right to a full and fair trial. When deciding if a person should be killed, for our own benefit and not theirs, we should make absolutely sure the person WE are killing at least deserves to die.

Which brings me to my next disagreement with the death penalty. The morbid act of constructing death machines and giving people the job of executing their fellow humans. I don't want to live next door to an executioner any more than I want to live next door to a murderer.
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Link?
 
I don't have the time to get into a lengthy discussion, but I think if we're talking about the morality of the death penalty, then the costs are irrelevant. Unless you think that the moral value of a human life can be quantified in dollars and cents, in which case we don't have much to discuss.
 
Siro said:
I don't have the time to get into a lengthy discussion, but I think if we're talking about the morality of the death penalty, then the costs are irrelevant. Unless you think that the moral value of a human life can be quantified in dollars and cents, in which case we don't have much to discuss.
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Agreed.

And I find it interesting that anti-abortionists often argue in favor of the death penalty on the grounds that they don't want to pay a ****ing dime for a human life if that life belongs to a prisoner.
 
Meh, For the hardcore people who deserver the death penalty, I'd be OK with a life sentence of making big rocks into small rocks. The prison system could use a lot more manufacturing of small rocks. . .
 
Ultimately the death penalty is probably wrong - killing people is wrong after all, but I have a hard time getting worked up if some people want to kill a guy who has murdered multiple other people in cold blood. Just have a hard time mustering enough sympathy for that kind of monster.
 
I wish the death penalty was used more often
 
Gameface said:
Agreed.

And I find it interesting that anti-abortionists often argue in favor of the death penalty on the grounds that they don't want to pay a ****ing dime for a human life if that life belongs to someone who chose to destroy other lives through their own personal actions.
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Fixed that for you. No one is clamoring for the death penalty for possessors of weed or accountants that embezzled money.
 
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