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Wolves in Utah

ElRoach0 said:
The concept of Trophic Cascade seems to be of significance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

It depends on what you're looking at. If you're looking at your cattle, maybe we should be hunting these things back to extinction. If you're looking at hunting deer, you should be happy for more wolves(as your take will be larger, and in better health.. wolves don't usually kill strong deer). If you're looking at wildlife and nature viewing, maybe we need more laws protecting them.
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If you think the only way wolves kill deer/elk/moose/animals is through actually catching and eating them...well...you're off a bit.
 
My favorite groups are the people in Idaho and Wyoming who think all the elk and moose are going extinct because wolves are back. What about all the millions of years those wolves were here before humans?
 
Howard said:
If you think the only way wolves kill deer/elk/moose/animals is through actually catching and eating them...well...you're off a bit.
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You should be for wolves in Utah and Colorado. Greater overall numbers will lead to less protection/restriction. Would you rather Montana, Idaho, Wyoming support wolf populations on their own? Think about it
 
b_line said:
My favorite groups are the people in Idaho and Wyoming who think all the elk and moose are going extinct because wolves are back. What about all the millions of years those wolves were here before humans?
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Different species of wolves this go around. I agree though, they won't go extinct. You also have to consider that the elk/moose numbers were much higher when people weren't around too.

I don't like wolves bc they kill cattle, and ranchers can't hardly do a damn thing (legally) to protect them, and they don't get reimbursed that well either.
 
♪alt13 said:
You should be for wolves in Utah and Colorado. Greater overall numbers will lead to less protection/restriction. Would you rather Montana, Idaho, Wyoming support wolf populations on their own? Think about it
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The more we have, the more we get to shoot. Increased revenue for the state. That's not all bad.
 
Howard said:
Different species of wolves this go around. I agree though, they won't go extinct. You also have to consider that the elk/moose numbers were much higher when people weren't around too.

I don't like wolves bc they kill cattle, and ranchers can't hardly do a damn thing (legally) to protect them, and they don't get reimbursed that well either.
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The different species thing is a bit overblown. They are the same wolves, in part. They are missing the timber wolf though, which was a small part of the competing population, I have read estimated at around 15% of the previous wolves in Yellowstone region were timber wolves, and the rest were gray wolf.

The ranching thing is a problem, because we have pretty much built our way of life around it. Either we need to change how we get our food, or allow the predators to be killed in designated ranching areas, although that might not work either. It's a legitimate concern though, and once the wolves get into the populations of cattle and sheep, they basically have to be killed because they have a hard time adjusting to staying away from herds.
 
franklin said:
How do you feel about them? They haven't officially been recognized yet, but plenty of people have pictures and spottings. Personally, I think there is no natural need; humans are plenty competent at culling the herds. We manage them already.

The reason I bring this up now:

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I found that yesterday about 10 miles above Kamas. That's getting pretty deep into Utah and well away from seclusion. There is a minute chance that print is not a wolf, but considering it was not accompanied by any human or horse print on a very wide trail, coming down the trial not up, it's most likely not some extremely large lost dog. It's not a cougar either. It left 1/2 to 3/4 inch claw marks. Cougars don't leave those.
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The question that begs to be asked is what kind of impact have they had on the locale? When riding here in LA, I run into coyotes all the time. I've even seen them come down into my neighborhood to, presumably, hunt for loose cats and dogs. I don't have a problem with them because I chose to live in an area that is close to Griffith Park, one of the biggest if not the biggest recreational parks in the area.
 
Howard said:
The more we have, the more we get to shoot. Increased revenue for the state. That's not all bad.
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Exactly.

I would add that I think it's time for western states to start proposing Wilderness areas, predator reintroduction, etc in eastern states. :)
 
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