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Do the Jazz abandon "the process" this summer?

bat said:
can they add talent while abiding by the process?
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Yes. The tactics change as you progress through the process. The strategy remains the same. At the end of the process, you have a strong core of players at their peak and you build around them with complementary vets.
 
silesian said:
Yes. The tactics change as you progress through the process. The strategy remains the same. At the end of the process, you have a strong core of players at their peak and you build around them with complementary vets.
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I would dangle Mack and Hayward as a package to the Celtics to see what kind of value we could get back.
 
PG_AB said:
Maxxing Harrison Barnes is the move.. That'd IMO be adding talent while abiding by the process
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I totally don't get this...So basically you're advocating spending money for the sake of spending money simply because we have a lot of it? I honestly think Lyles will be better than Barnes anyway...
 
PG_AB said:
No It makes the team better, he helps the overall quality of the offense, look at the 3pt shot totals this season, Trey Burke took the 3rd most, Chris Johnson Ingles and Booker combined to shoot 350 threes!!

With Barnes the 3pt shooting would be much better.. .. ..

Add him in with most any lineup you can't either SF or PF and he adds to the floor spacing..

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He'll provide our players with more room to work with just by standing at the 3pt line.. He plays SF next to Lyles.. they aren't redundant whatsoever...

He's a high-quality rotation player.. Very low risk player IMO. His shot is pure and he's young, high-character and healthy, and about to enter his prime.. and like I said before still tradable at that salary
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How you're proposing we use Barnes is fine, but you don't max a player like this. We desperately need a star caliber player, we have enough above-average role players...our entire current roster is made up of them. I just think it's a complete waste of money that could be better spent some other way. Maybe used to take on some ****ty short term contracts via trade as a means to get a star player on the team.
 
The team is in a strange position. We have a very good core that is currently on pace to be playoff regulars but unlikely to become a true championship contender due to the lack of a star. We also have money to spend but an inability to acquire that missing star via FA. We also have a necessity to win now because of Hayward's opt-out clause.

The FO is going to have to decide whether to attempt to acquire a star caliber player via trade by condensing assets or build a deep team of players that compliment eachother well. This is an extremely important off-season as we seem to be at somewhat of a crossroad (primarily due to Hayward's ability to opt-out after next season).
 
Barnes is shooting 3/22 in the playoffs and the majority of that is while being guarded by Harden.

He's trash - when he has to play without Curry/Green/Thompson, he's especially trash, and when he was injured for a large chunk of games the Warriors didn't skip a beat.

Being able to score at moderate efficiency when the other team is more focused on stopping three other guys does not a max player make.
 
karl malone said:
The team is in a strange position. We have a very good core that is currently on pace to be playoff regulars but unlikely to become a true championship contender due to the lack of a star. We also have money to spend but an inability to acquire that missing star via FA. We also have a necessity to win now because of Hayward's opt-out clause.

The FO is going to have to decide whether to attempt to acquire a star caliber player via trade by condensing assets or build a deep team of players that compliment eachother well. This is an extremely important off-season as we seem to be at somewhat of a crossroad (primarily due to Hayward's ability to opt-out after next season).
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I completely agree.
If the Bulls are shopping Jimmy Butler, what do you give up for him? Does he make the team a championship caliber squad?




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KD's Framily said:
Barnes is shooting 3/22 in the playoffs and the majority of that is while being guarded by Harden.

He's trash - when he has to play without Curry/Green/Thompson, he's especially trash, and when he was injured for a large chunk of games the Warriors didn't skip a beat.

Being able to score at moderate efficiency when the other team is more focused on stopping three other guys does not a max player make.
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I wouldn't go as far as trash, but he isn't a guy I would offer a max to in a million years.
 
PG_AB said:
Look at this minutes distribution I posted in another thread.. all of those players minutes you listed end up getting pushed to Lyles and Harrison Barnes

PG - Exum (23) - Mack (9) - Neto (8) - Burks (8)
SG -Hayward (25) Burks (17) - Hood (6) - Burke (0)
SF -Barnes (19) Hood(23) Hayward (6) - Ingles (0)
PF -Favors (15) Lyles (23) Barnes (10) - 2nd round pick (0)
C - Gobert (29) Favors (14) 1st rd pick (5) Withey (0)
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Not terrible. I would put Exum at more like 27 a night or so but that's splitting hairs. My biggest issues with all this are having Favors at the 5 for 14 minutes (if it's against backups then cool) and maxing Barnes. I'm not down for that. At ****ing all. It's a stupid move imo because once we want to re-up Hayward, Hood, Favors, Gobert and Exum, all guys who I think are or will be better either overall or in their roles, we'll be ****ed. Oh yeah and then there's Burks and signing another 8 or so guys to fill out a roster.
 
PG_AB said:
don't think this is sound logic..

Signing Barnes in my estimation is adding as much affordable young talent as there is to be had this summer. why overlook that?? thats of the highest priority IMO.. If you've got a plan to add a star, make a thread with the idea..

PErhaps this is crazy; but I figure the more good players you have, the better the team is.. I've already coverd where his minutes and 3pointers would come from.. not 'the core'

They don't want to end up in the lottery again next year(i think) So why not a young starter on a championship team, whos underutilized but capable of more, he takes good shots, he's quite athletic, has good fakes on his J and around the basket, and is used to operating in a lesser role..

It's also not crushing to the flexibility, because in my estimation there would still be teams looking to take on Barnes for expirings if things went sour, so they could cash out.. he's still 23!

Rudy being restricted next offseason means that if he intends to resign, they can wait to handle Hayward's contract first, then they can sign Rudy and go over the cap, which would be around 100mil..

Teams are doing that these days.. it's why Brad Beal doesn't have an extension done yet, so they have $$$ for Durant..

With a PF/C type from the 12th pick the PG situation will be the only potential weakness (if the 1st round pick is good) going into the best offseason to find a PG in the draft or free agency..

This streamlines the roster, adds talent, this move would be too good be true actually.. It's not going to happen if it did it'd be the rich getting richer though..
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I don't think you understand the implications of maxing a player that's nowhere near worth it. It can lead to a very painful treadmill. There is no "out" by trading them away short of adding 1st round picks. And a small market without picks is what in the NBA? Nothing.
 
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