Max Out Bradley Beal?

[Handlogten's Heros]

We can max Beal and they will gladly match... It's a no brainer for them. Sounds as though they already have a wink-wink deal anyway.

We at much more likely to sign a guy like Eric Gordon but the money that even an injury prone guy like him will get is going to be crazy. My guess is he gets close to 15M per year. Max for Beal is 20ish M... Based on age and price if I had the choice I'd rather have Beal but both guys scare me if I'm a GM.

 

[Ron Mexico]

1) Age is overrated. Beal has played twice the minutes at a professional level and twice the time training/practicing at a professional level.

2) On a TS%, Beal is 0.05% better. Statistically irrelevant.

3) Hood is a much better rebounder.

4) Beal in 4 years has never put up a WS/48 as good as Hood has.

5) Via Ortg and Drtg, Beal is a net negative player, Hood is a net positive.
Tell me again how Beal is better?

I think age matters. NBA experience does help players but so does college especially at a place like Duke under a great coach. Age matters for the body as well and its development. One year in your 20s can make a huge difference in physical abilities. Most athletes dont peak strength and performance wise until 30. Age also effects your maturity.

Beal shoots a better percentage on more shots. He scores more points. He hits a higher percentage of his three point shots as well. He is an all around better scorer and more of a threat on offense.

Not sure how Hood is a much better rebounder, they rebounded the exact same amount in the same amount of minutes. If you want to give a slight edge to Hood for his height great but he is not a much better rebounder.


Neither is a good defender so I would call that a wash. Hoods length is nice and helpful but Beal is a slightly better athlete.

The only risk Beal poses is his injuries but that is a risk I would take as a GM. Beal had a rough time getting going the last 2 seasons due to injuries. When he was 19 in this league he put up 17 points a game. When healthy he is going to average over 20.

Also look at how much better the Wizards were with a healthy Beal and an injured Beal.

Beal has a better advanced stats at Win Shares at 13.4 to 8.1. Beal has a much better Value over replacement player at 3.3 to 2. Beal has a better PER, win% and better WARP.

Then lets talk about Beal in the post season where he has played at a higher level. Last year he averaged 23.4 points per game 5 boards and 5 assists. He played great in the playoffs. That experience at a young age would be great for this team.

So yes I would take Beal over Hood as a better younger player. Also this is not replacing Hood it is adding Beal. We would have both players. We have minutes for both players and it would make us a better deeper team.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Locke has been proposing the idea of maxing out Bradley Beal as a way to get a true star on our team. Would you do it? Keep in mind, this will mean we'll be saying goodbye to some of our core players when, or before their contracts come up.

Obviously, Wizards have the right to match, but they might not, since they aren't pleased with their current performance, and are still holding out hope for. KD and Al Horford.


I'd do it. When something like this is potentially available, you have to try. At his age, he is going to get better. That 3 ball is deadly! We'd definitely make the playoffs next year, could re-sign Hayward, and then worry abouu trading him after we got a new contract on him (get a better haul).

Dear god!! I mean good god!! Beal? Beal isn't a star! Everyone!! I'm only going to say this once. Anyone we have a shot at signing or trading for isn't thought of as a star. Quit with the we need to max out a star. If u want a star, hope that Exum is that guy and Hood to a lesser extent, or start over, and get rid of Favors Hayward and Gobert. The only way we get a star is through the god damn draft!! Everyone needs to shut the hell up and enjoy the glorious cake baking.

U know it's bad when people are talking about maxing out ****ing Beal to be our star. For hell sakes shut the hell up!!

 

[fishonjazz]

If we max Beal and he is one of those OJ Mayo types that never improves from his first few years that would really suck.

Oh man, oj mayo. Worthless piece of ****.
So glad we don't have him

 

[Ron Mexico]

We can max Beal and they will gladly match... It's a no brainer for them. Sounds as though they already have a wink-wink deal anyway.

We at much more likely to sign a guy like Eric Gordon but the money that even an injury prone guy like him will get is going to be crazy. My guess is he gets close to 15M per year. Max for Beal is 20ish M... Based on age and price if I had the choice I'd rather have Beal but both guys scare me if I'm a GM.

I agree with this. There is very little chance we can get Beal. Washington is very unlikely to match even a max deal. This years max deal will still be a good deal in a couple years as the cap is going to keep rising. But we should go after Beal and DeRozan even though they are unlikely to sign here. Gordon is a good risk to take as well but I agree he might get paid way too much for the risk to be worth it.

 

[fishonjazz]

Because if we don't throw max money at a questionable "star", our FO isn't trying hard enough and we're going to lose Hayward as well as a whole grip of fans.

Isn't that the narrative of this offseason?

Lol. We have to max someone! Maybe even two someones!
We need to max luol deng, Jordan clarkson, and Evan Turner!

Like 22 million?

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Sounds about right

 

[fishonjazz]

He is only 22 years old averaging 17 points per game and a career .400 3 pt shooter. I would be very happy if the Jazz picked him up. Not sure if he is quite worth max but if we got him for max and he stayed healthy he would greatly improve our team.

He is only 22? No way. Was he drafted when he was like 16? Seems like he has been in the league for like 4-5 years already.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Because if we don't throw max money at a questionable "star", our FO isn't trying hard enough and we're going to lose Hayward as well as a whole grip of fans.

Isn't that the narrative of this offseason?

Right now I'd like to lose some of the fans that post on jazzfanz

 

[fishonjazz]

I think age matters. NBA experience does help players but so does college especially at a place like Duke under a great coach. Age matters for the body as well and its development. One year in your 20s can make a huge difference in physical abilities. Most athletes dont peak strength and performance wise until 30. Age also effects your maturity.

Beal shoots a better percentage on more shots. He scores more points. He hits a higher percentage of his three point shots as well. He is an all around better scorer and more of a threat on offense.

Not sure how Hood is a much better rebounder, they rebounded the exact same amount in the same amount of minutes. If you want to give a slight edge to Hood for his height great but he is not a much better rebounder.


Neither is a good defender so I would call that a wash. Hoods length is nice and helpful but Beal is a slightly better athlete.

The only risk Beal poses is his injuries but that is a risk I would take as a GM. Beal had a rough time getting going the last 2 seasons due to injuries. When he was 19 in this league he put up 17 points a game. When healthy he is going to average over 20.

Also look at how much better the Wizards were with a healthy Beal and an injured Beal.

Beal has a better advanced stats at Win Shares at 13.4 to 8.1. Beal has a much better Value over replacement player at 3.3 to 2. Beal has a better PER, win% and better WARP.

Then lets talk about Beal in the post season where he has played at a higher level. Last year he averaged 23.4 points per game 5 boards and 5 assists. He played great in the playoffs. That experience at a young age would be great for this team.

So yes I would take Beal over Hood as a better younger player. Also this is not replacing Hood it is adding Beal. We would have both players. We have minutes for both players and it would make us a better deeper team.

Pretty Damn good post.

I kinda want to max beal now. I have always been a fan

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Burks and Hood both better.

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[Miggs]

Burks and Hood both better.

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ROFL. Emkaaaaaaaayyyy.

 

[orangello]

Just say no to Beal at the max.