Following 2016 potential draftees

[Deleted member 848]

The fact that Favors averages 16PPG on the percentages that he does, with the point guards that we've had, is nothing short of miraculous.

 

[RandyForRubio]

A total game changer.
It.
Scorer.
Leader.

Klay Thompson.

He's got it.

Klay Thompson plays defense. Murray is not capable of that.

 

[RandyForRubio]

In regards to Hayward and Favors, I think people miss the defensive equation. They're both really good defenders, and that matters. It's why Kevin Love ain't ****. If you can get guys that are good on both ends of the court, you keep them. Getting players who can only play one side? Unless they're incredibly elite, it doesn't do you much. You won't ever be a contender with a guy like Murray as your leading player, unless of course you have LeBron. Look at Irving (all offense, no defense). Look at Love. Those guys didn't do **** before a top 5 of all time player came to them. The chances of that happening here are pretty slim.

Tldr; most of the really good players on winning teams are two way players.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Last time I checked Hayward averaged 19.7 ppg this past season with 5 rebound and 4 assist per game. There are playoff teams who had their leading scorers average less points at a less efficient clip. There is nothing about Hayward scoring ability that is holding us back. It's the rest of the roster (namely the young parts like PG and only having 1 other playoff rotation worthy healthy wing) on the team.

That would be a mistake.

I still have a lot of faith in the core of this team and how it has been built. with an emphasis on 2-way players and length. Even though Hood isn't known as a defender, he does have great size for a 2 guard. I think trading him for a small SG (who at best will be an average defender) would be a mistake.

Cy is killing it lately. Couldn't have said it better.

In regards to Hayward and Favors, I think people miss the defensive equation. They're both really good defenders, and that matters. It's why Kevin Love ain't ****. If you can get guys that are good on both ends of the court, you keep them. Getting players who can only play one side? Unless they're incredibly elite, it doesn't do you much. You won't ever be a contender with a guy like Murray as your leading player, unless of course you have LeBron. Look at Irving (all offense, no defense). Look at Love. Those guys didn't do **** before a top 5 of all time player came to them. The chances of that happening here are pretty slim.

Tldr; most of the really good players on winning teams are two way players.

This is what held back the DWill, Boozer era Jazz, all offense no defense to speak of. There was zero rim protection, and Brewer, the he bestowing defender had major flaws on defense while AK was disillusioned about losing oppertunities on offense and became lazy on defense, then would cry like a baby. The more two way players u can accumulate the better.

 

[RandyForRubio]

We still need to fix our offense though. I think that largely depends on Exum being as good as we think he can be, and Snyder actually trying to run an offense worth a damn.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Good morning, losers!

 

[Dr. Jones]

[MENTION=1066]Thee jazz fan[/MENTION]

If you concede my past objectivity toward UK players (which is 100% true), then why is it unthinkable that I truly believe Murray is going to be a total stud?

How is it suddenly less than objective when I promote one guy?

 

[spycam1]

Klay Thompson plays defense. Murray is not capable of that.

To be fair, people didn't project Thompson as a good defender either.

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[spycam1]

I really like the Hood/Hayward combo, but I also think Jamal has a very bright future in this league. Whether or not I'd trade Hayward for him would depend on whether I think Hayward will stay here. Hopefully DL has a good idea of what that answer is, cause I honestly could see it going either way.

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[spycam1]

[MENTION=1066]Thee jazz fan[/MENTION]

If you concede my past objectivity toward UK players (which is 100% true), then why is it unthinkable that I truly believe Murray is going to be a total stud?

How is it suddenly less than objective when I promote one guy?

Would you trade Exum for Jamal and try to turn him into a fully fledged PG? I'm curious cause I know you're also high on Exum (or at least you have been in the past).

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[Coach Ellis]

I'm fine with Murray, but I'd rather not pay the exorbitant price that it undoubtedly would cost to get him.

I still like Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood, Lyles and Exum more than any obtainable player in this draft AND I'd rather keep all of those guys and see how they play together (if they can stay healthy) instead of hitting the reset button again.

I also think that it's a pretty damn solid draft once you get past the top 7/8 picks. The Jazz can scout their asses off, sit tight and still get a really good player at #12. I think that they can find a starting caliber player there. And I think that there's going to be solid players that fall into the mid-to-late 20's range (like Gobert and Hood) that they can aggressively target for a trade up with their multiple assets. Grab two swing for the fences guys in the draft and stash them in the D-league for a year, then use any remaining picks on draft and stash Euro players, then add two solid free agents to replace Booker and Burke. With internal growth and good health, this team is a solid middle of the pack playoff team.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm fine with Murray, but I'd rather not pay the exorbitant price that it undoubtedly would cost to get him.

I still like Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood, Lyles and Exum more than any obtainable player in this draft AND I'd rather keep all of those guys and see how they play together (if they can stay healthy) instead of hitting the reset button again.

I also think that it's a pretty damn solid draft once you get past the top 7/8 picks. The Jazz can scout their asses off, sit tight and still get a really good player at #12. I think that they can find a starting caliber player there. And I think that there's going to be solid players that fall into the mid-to-late 20's range (like Gobert and Hood) that they can aggressively target for a trade up with their multiple assets. Grab two swing for the fences guys in the draft and stash them in the D-league for a year, then use any remaining picks on draft and stash Euro players, then add two solid free agents to replace Booker and Burke. With internal growth and good health, this team is a solid middle of the pack playoff team.