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King Cy said:
Is he a black Kanter? Says he is a good beefy offensive PF who doesnt play defense.
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He looks like he moves better and is probably more explosive.

According to DX he has 1.5 stl/40 mins... which is about 3 times what Kanter averages. His blk numbers are not great though. DX kills his defense in general. They also says he has "passing potential", something that nobody has ever said about Enes.

He's shooting 43% from 3 though. Might be e good stretchy big with good mobility.
 
A draft result I'd be happy with, though it's not the upside strategy (which I could also live with):

- 12. Poeltl
- Trade 2107 GS pick (or maybe our own, top-20 protected or something) and this year's #43 (plus any necessary more minor pieces) for Boston 23 & 31 or Philly 24 & 26
- Pick Valentine & Zipser

Why I'd like it:
- May solve our depth problem almost immediately -- or at least hopefully by late season/early 2017-18. Valentine, Burks, Mack, Zipser, Lyles, Poeltl have the makings of a good, balanced, flexible second unit. With a strong first unit and a competent second unit, the Jazz could move forward from a position of strength and non-desperation in future moves.
- Rookie-scale contracts are great, but only if players on them produce. Picking up three of the most NBA-ready, high-floor players in their part of the draft may maximize the benefit from the rookie contract.
-Everyone talks about how this is a role-player draft. When getting role players, it's important that the fit is right, and these guys would fill very important roles for the Jazz. Why not seek out such role players in the draft if they're available rather than through the FA market?

Why it won't happen:
- Though some current mocks have these players close enough to where I'm proposing, it's unlikely that they'll all "slide" here.
- Why would Boston or Philly make the trade? I'm not sure why either would. Boston might be the greatest possibility as it would give them a chance to extend their consolidate-multiple-first-rounders-for-a star-strategy until 2017 if that strategy doesn't work for them this year.
- Maybe the 2017 draft is too deep for us to contemplate doing this? I know it's high at the top, but at 20 or below? I don't know enough to say.
-Jazz brass probably truly don't want three rookies, even if relatively NBA-ready.
 
valentine will be gone before pick 24.. he is one of the guys id love for the nuggets to draft... Grab BAP guard first( Dunn,Hield, Murray) grab a Euro you could stash for a year and Valentine with round 1 picks and then either Felder or GP JR and Zimmerman in round 2. Gallo, Chandler, Faried are all going be on the trade block this year I have been told from my sources
 
I actually like this idea, but don't care for the execution. Jazz should build depth through free agency (preferrably from the top down) and swing for the fences with the draft picks. Based on the current DX mock, I'd be shopping Burke, Withey, the 2nd round picks, cash and the OKC pick to Philly for 24 and 26. No deal on the 2017 picks. Those still have FAR too much value to include in any trade moving forward.

Then take SG: Furkan Korkmaz, PG: Dejounte Murray and C/PF: Thon Maker. Lock them into cheap, team controlled contracts, and then have them take turns highlighting the SLC Stars. I don't want NBA ready guys - give me 3 upside guys and see where they're at 4 years from now.
 
idiot said:
A draft result I'd be happy with, though it's not the upside strategy (which I could also live with):

- 12. Poeltl
- Trade 2107 GS pick (or maybe our own, top-20 protected or something) and this year's #43 (plus any necessary more minor pieces) for Boston 23 & 31 or Philly 24 & 26
- Pick Valentine & Zipser

Why I'd like it:
- May solve our depth problem almost immediately -- or at least hopefully by late season/early 2017-18. Valentine, Burks, Mack, Zipser, Lyles, Poeltl have the makings of a good, balanced, flexible second unit. With a strong first unit and a competent second unit, the Jazz could move forward from a position of strength and non-desperation in future moves.
- Rookie-scale contracts are great, but only if players on them produce. Picking up three of the most NBA-ready, high-floor players in their part of the draft may maximize the benefit from the rookie contract.
-Everyone talks about how this is a role-player draft. When getting role players, it's important that the fit is right, and these guys would fill very important roles for the Jazz. Why not seek out such role players in the draft if they're available rather than through the FA market?

Why it won't happen:
- Though some current mocks have these players close enough to where I'm proposing, it's unlikely that they'll all "slide" here.
- Why would Boston or Philly make the trade? I'm not sure why either would. Boston might be the greatest possibility as it would give them a chance to extend their consolidate-multiple-first-rounders-for-a star-strategy until 2017 if that strategy doesn't work for them this year.
- Maybe the 2017 draft is too deep for us to contemplate doing this? I know it's high at the top, but at 20 or below? I don't know enough to say.
-Jazz brass probably truly don't want three rookies, even if relatively NBA-ready.
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No thanks. Not giving up any picks in the 17 draft. It's being touted as the strongest class in a while.
 
Doublea said:
If I had to pick right now, id probably go with Murray at 12. Unless someone else drops.
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I like his two-way potential more than anyone else likely to be available. One thing the playoffs prove every year is that it's difficult to play guys significant minutes who are only good on one end of the court.

Malachi has two-way potential, too, but his FG% and older age for a freshman signal to me that he's the riskier of the two prospects.

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Ellis269 said:
I actually like this idea, but don't care for the execution. Jazz should build depth through free agency (preferrably from the top down) and swing for the fences with the draft picks. Based on the current DX mock, I'd be shopping Burke, Withey, the 2nd round picks, cash and the OKC pick to Philly for 24 and 26. No deal on the 2017 picks. Those still have FAR too much value to include in any trade moving forward.

Then take SG: Furkan Korkmaz, PG: Dejounte Murray and C/PF: Thon Maker. Lock them into cheap, team controlled contracts, and then have them take turns highlighting the SLC Stars. I don't want NBA ready guys - give me 3 upside guys and see where they're at 4 years from now.
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I doubt D murray will still be available at 24. Beside the fact, if the Jazz draft 3 rookies this year and have at least two picks next year where are they going to put all these guys? I think there is a limit with how many guys you can have in the d-league with NBA contracts.
 
Murray is a poor shooter; relies far too heavily on floaters to finish at the rim; does excel in early offense and transition, but also lacks the ability to finish at the bucket; has poor offensive decision-making skills; isn’t a very good defender — Oh, and did I mention that despite Washington likely sending two guys to the first round of the NBA Draft that the team itself wasn’t very good?

Yep, let me recap. Defense, poor. Offense, poor. Shooting, poor. Measurables, great. Speed, great.

Too risky for me.
 
Yeah, Murray sucks at everything. His freshman averages are the same as Kris Dunn's senior averages (and Murray did it for a bigger program), but he sucks at everything. Ev-er-y-thing.

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cowhide said:
I doubt D murray will still be available at 24. Beside the fact, if the Jazz draft 3 rookies this year and have at least two picks next year where are they going to put all these guys? I think there is a limit with how many guys you can have in the d-league with NBA contracts.
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There is no limit other than only having a 15 man roster.

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