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Exum needs to play over Mack

If Quin is trying to teach him a lesson of some sort, here's a little piece of advice - when you tell the whole world Mack is playing because of defense when even a blind man can see just how much better Exum is on that end of the court, it's generally a good idea to have this piece of the puzzle right. Otherwise the lesson you are teaching is not "you will play when you get better at D", the lesson is "no matter what you do, I like this expiring Mack guy better than you, what you gonna do about it?"

I cannot stress just how dumb it is to play Mack ahead of Exum right now. He has missed 2 of the last 3 years of playing, isn't markedly worse than Mack overall, is better on the stated reason he's benched, and we have a limited time to evaluate him before we have to make a decision on him and instead we are playing expiring Shelvin ****ing Mack. WTF is going on?
 
seattlejazzfan said:
jazz are significantly better on both offense and defense when Exum is off the court. perhaps Quin is seeing something we're not.
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On off numbers on this small of a sample size are EXTREMELY unreliable. I don't think anyone can sit and watch Mack get blown by 6'10 guy off the dribble(yes, this happened today) and think "yah, sure... he plays better D than Exum"...
 
stitches said:
On off numbers on this small of a sample size are EXTREMELY unreliable. I don't think anyone can sit and watch Mack get blown by 6'10 guy off the dribble(yes, this happened today) and think "yah, sure... he plays better D than Exum"...
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I dont disagree. The larger point is, perhaps Snyder sees something we dont. He's not dumb.
 
I find it hard to criticize Quin's rotations when the team is winning, but yes, Exum needs to be out there. He's the ****ing #5 pick in what was supposed to be a super loaded draft.
 
The explaination seemingly being given cannot possibly be the truth of the matter. If he's thinking either Dante was getting too big for his boots and needing an attitude adjustment fine (unlikely given what has been said about him) or just needs to sit for a few games to get a little perspective / prodded into action a little i'm cool with. I really really hope that the numbers on / off thing isn't what Quin is telling him, i'm hoping it's either showcasing Mack for a trade or just having a little exert his authority moment. If he's genuinely telling him that the team is better with Mack that is an awful risk to take. Lyles, Withey, Jingles, Diaw even JJ have all sucked *** quite a bit so far this season, it would beggar belief if he's truly being singled out. The clock is ticking on finding out what he really is / can be.
 
The clock is ticking on finding out what he really is / can be.
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If Exum sees and feels he's going to be really good in the NBA and run his OWN team Snyder better not burn Exum's trust in him regarding his future.It's tooooo damn hard to get a real star in Utah !
 
Off the bench is is the perfect role and I thought he had made progress. You can't give home the hook for the stated reasons and continue to play diaw this much.

Think Quin is going to the Jerry school of young player management on this one. Our bench units are garbage anyway. The reason we are winning is Hill came back.

Exum better play tomorrow... fresh legs on the back end of a back to back.
 
NAOS said:
No logical reason? The statistics say that we're better with Mack. What logic are you using? The future/development angle? That's not a bad reason, but please don't act like there's no reason Ex isn't out there. Thanks.
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Argh. Unfortunately, this. It's not just the stats. The game plainly looks better when Mack is on the floor.

I think Exum can continue to develop in practice and then actually earn his minutes in the game. We're no longer rebuilding. We have a good team that wants to win now.
 
Siro said:
Argh. Unfortunately, this. It's not just the stats. The game plainly looks better when Mack is on the floor.

I think Exum can continue to develop in practice and then actually earn his minutes in the game. We're no longer rebuilding. We have a good team that wants to win now.
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Mack does some good things and some bad things. Exum should play and Quin is wrong not to play him. Mack needs to get injured if he is going to play over Exum.

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Guys, we don't even know if Exum's knee is not bothering him a little - which should be expected. A knee pain can easily make a player settle for jump shots, for instance, and even bother his jump shots.

Besides, you guys might not agree, but I think the Jazz idea was to bring Exum along slowly, not only as a precautionary measure due to his injury, but to show him the ropes. I remember Snyder saying distinctly that the Jazz wanted to teach Exum how to run a team - something which he is clearly not capable of doing right now. How you do something like this? Putting the apprentice player in a position which he can do good and gain not only confidence but understanding of his possibilities and limitations. You don't just throw the apprentice player out there to face any kind of situation, day in and day out.

Let's face it: he's just a kid, very very inexperienced player... and he's coming from a major injury. He is also a kid who is struggling big time, by the way. Usually a player putting the kind of stats that Exum is putting barely belongs in the league. The only reason Exum even plays is that the Jazz still hope that with the right guidance he may develop into something special - as they should.

That being said, I agree that Mack basically sucks. Offensively, he tries to do way too much for his skill level and athleticism, whilst defensively he's only average. He should see very little floor time; just enough to give Hill a breather.
 
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