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Pretty sure thats the only mock around with the ginger Fr. guards Donte DiVincenzo (Nova) and Kevin Huerter (MD)included.. Thats my favorite part of this update. Both would be awesome value in those spots IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnsgcKcxFqk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl2MOAw80pM&t=1s

I really like my 2nd rd's much better than the ones on draftsites tbpfh..
 
Didn't go too in depth on your mock but biggest problem I have is John Collins is WAY too low.


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White Chocolate said:
Didn't go too in depth on your mock but biggest problem I have is John Collins is WAY too low.


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All the bigs get pushed back.. I didn't want Giles to drop past 18 and he's at 23..

Players like Robert Williams, Zach Collins and Justin Patton have crashed the preseason party something serious... the ramifications of their emergence is still having a huge ripple effect..

Ike Anigbogu, Chemizie Metu and Tony Bradley are all good enough to make the cut too there's just not enough room for all of em.. They got the short end of the stick..

Borisa Simanic is at 51... 51!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akuxSqBVrV8
Cam Oliver 47...

Thats why I'm saying my 2nd rd is stronger(more talent laden) than the other ones u'll see..
 
Thats an A+ draft for the Nix IMO.. Ntilikina, Jacob Evans and LaGerald Vick are all perfect to help them turnaround the flimsy perimeter defense.

Vick's value #58 is just insane... He'd be worth his weight in gold on that roster...

Sacramento gets an A+... There's lots of really good combinations of picks listed for teams IMO - Jonathan Isaac, Robert Williams, Jalen Brunson

Philly gets an A+ - Lonzo Ball, Grayson Allen, Thomas Bryant, Mo Wagner

Orlando's an A+ - Fox, Giles, Dos Anjos and Trier...


Utah's very close to an A... Bruce Brown, Mikal Bridges, Cameron Oliver and Paceniks..

Portland adds some potential gamechangers on the wing in Miles Bridges and Justin Jackson..

Dallas gets their PG at 10..

Denver strengthens up at SF and grabs a top-notch stash project..

Boston gets gifted an A+ but also makes 2 great value picks in Jeanne and DiVicenzo
 
Lemme just state this explicitly. Collin Sexton is perfect for the George Hill role.. Fans of CJ McCollum will love him and he's way better athlete than CJ, quickest guard in the class. His step-back J is lethal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQKdVFxeJw0

CP3 also vouches for him...

Now he's not gonna be in range or anywhere close.. but he fits the job description.. With him and Exum at point next to Hood/Burks and Hayward.. thats a wrecking crew worthy of being matched with Rudy and Favors.

Much has been made of this years crop of PG's but to me this kid, Trevon Duval (and Jamal Murray from last year) all would still go very high in this draft.. and be viewed as possible franchise types..
 
The more I watch Rodions Kurucs, Jonathan Jeanne and Anzejs Pasecniks the more I like them. Let's raid the international scene.
 
SCS said:
The more I watch Rodions Kurucs, Jonathan Jeanne and Anzejs Pasecniks the more I like them. Let's raid the international scene.
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Sadly, it's going to take a string of minor miracles for Kurucs to still be on the board for Utah.. Paceniks seems like a particularly good fit in Utah IMO..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIcIOw6lu9Q

Maybe Arnoldas Kulboka?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPyUqkM78jU&t=1s

Borisa Simanic, Felipe dos Anjos, Tadas Sedekerskis, Kostja Mushidi, Viny Okouo, Alpha Kaba, Vezenkov, Michael Fusek, Elie Okobo and Adam Mokoka are some other international names to watch.
 
Damn.. check this out.. This is the **** I've been talking about over the years, how that one-and-done rule is obscene (In certain cases where the kid is ready...)..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZSBK2yKeME

I have a very hard time beleiveing he's actually fall further than both Kings picks.. so 8.. He was born in the summer of 2000 too.. He's 16 years old throwing down dunks like Shawn Kemp in his prime..
 
PG_AB said:
Damn.. check this out.. This is the **** I've been talking about over the years, how that one-and-done rule is obscene (In certain cases where the kid is ready...)..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZSBK2yKeME

I have a very hard time beleiveing he's actually fall further than both Kings picks.. so 8.. He was born in the summer of 2000 too.. He's 16 years old throwing down dunks like Shawn Kemp in his prime..
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Dude is 6'7" 240 at 16. How much of him dominating is simply being bigger, stronger and more athletic than everybody else?

It's why i love the one and done. Let's see what he does against 19-23 year olds before my team spends a top 3 pick on him.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Dude is 6'7" 240 at 16. How much of him dominating is simply being bigger, stronger and more athletic than everybody else?

It's why i love the one and done. Let's see what he does against 19-23 year olds before my team spends a top 3 pick on him.
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There's already overwhelming evidence that the 1-and-done rule is nonsense. You may have heard of; LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett..

Moses Malone was drafted out of HS to the Utah Stars, I think that worked out okay for him..



Not every year, but sometimes there are SUREFIRE talents..

players whos talent belies their age... people act like those players don't exist, but clearly they do..

DeAndre Ayton would be one of the top picks in the draft this year.. EASILY he'd be the top bigman on ALL boards..

Those are the true players who suffer from the rule, the true cream of the crop.. To me it's just not what sports is about, that rule is agreed upon by the players association because they know if players such as Dennis Smith were allowed in the draft pool last year, and players like Colin Sexton were allowed in the draft this year,it'd change the landscape of the FA market and ultimately more vets would get pushed out of the league quicker..
 
PG_AB said:
There's already overwhelming evidence that the 1-and-done rule is nonsense. You may have heard of; LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett..

Moses Malone was drafted out of HS to the Utah Stars, I think that worked out okay for him..



Not every year, but sometimes there are SUREFIRE talents..

players whos talent belies their age... people act like those players don't exist, but clearly they do..

DeAndre Ayton would be one of the top picks in the draft this year.. EASILY he'd be the top bigman on ALL boards..

Those are the true players who suffer from the rule, the true cream of the crop.. To me it's just not what sports is about, that rule is agreed upon by the players association because they know if players such as Dennis Smith were allowed in the draft pool last year, and players like Colin Sexton were allowed in the draft this year,it'd change the landscape of the FA market and ultimately more vets would get pushed out of the league quicker..
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But you don't just have the LeBrons and Dwights of the world coming out early, you have guys who aren't ready or simply aren't good, yet teams spend early picks on them because they can't pass on the potential next Kobe or the next Dwight.

My opinion is selfish. I want to have a chance to see them at the higher level against and with real coaching, size, maturity and athleticism before my team has top use a pick on a guy who really can't play.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
But you don't just have the LeBrons and Dwights of the world coming out early, you have guys who aren't ready or simply aren't good, yet teams spend early picks on them because they can't pass on the potential next Kobe or the next Dwight.

My opinion is selfish. I want to have a chance to see them at the higher level against and with real coaching, size, maturity and athleticism before my team has top use a pick on a guy who really can't play.
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U know Coach Cal was the coach when the Nets drafted Kerry Kittles over Kobe right? Paraphrasing ofc but as he tells it now. He needed to win right away, under lots of pressure to produce instantly and went with the more polished player..

OFC there's a lot of elements to the draft involved but to remove this one part of it and say "eureka!! We've solved the riddle, now teams are less likely to pick busts!" is steeped in FICTION..

It's not like the draft is the be-all-end all.. Look at the Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, Amir Johnson and CJ Miles of the world.. Kendrick Perkins had a long run..

Most Knicks fans will remember at or around the peak of Andrew Bynum's career Isiah Thomas came out and said he thought Bynum was the most talented pick at the time, but they went with Channing Frye apparently because they thought he could handle the city better..

It'd wreck college basketball now that the culture has changed to what it is now.. The starpower would be sucked out, it'd be more of a regional, hardcore fanatic type of deal. Recruitment would change drastically.

At the end of the day the rule is a sham. The best college basketball programs are that because they emulate pro style conditioning and play styles.. so u can't convince me that learning from the real ****ing thing isn't better off for players growth trajectories when it comes to certain gifted individuals.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Dude is 6'7" 240 at 16. How much of him dominating is simply being bigger, stronger and more athletic than everybody else?

It's why i love the one and done. Let's see what he does against 19-23 year olds before my team spends a top 3 pick on him.
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If he is 6'7 240 at 16 he is probably going to be bigger/stronger/more athletic than 99% of college by the time he is 18.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
But you don't just have the LeBrons and Dwights of the world coming out early, you have guys who aren't ready or simply aren't good, yet teams spend early picks on them because they can't pass on the potential next Kobe or the next Dwight.

My opinion is selfish. I want to have a chance to see them at the higher level against and with real coaching, size, maturity and athleticism before my team has top use a pick on a guy who really can't play.
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Yeah but your team also might draft a guy out of HS later than he we would have gone if he blew up his freshman year at college. Would the Jazz ever been able to draft CJ Miles in the 20's if he went to Texas?
 
There's a decently famous quote from Jim Rohn that I think applies to the 1ndone rule and it's;

“You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.”

There's a certain archetype that is built to fall in line like that.. and Dante Exum was certainly appraised to be that by many, many teams..

It's just common sense..

I mean put yourself in the shoes of a player like DeAndre Ayton or a really good young player who's worked so hard at the craft that their ready for the lottery.. wouldn't you rather be on an NBA team, practicing and traveling around vets having the chance to pick their brains for all sorts of wisdom, and getting live reps vs pros.. To me it makes sense that more of the progress would rub off.. Good habits, pro habits, could be formed earlier (obviously if u get the wrong archetype it could be a hindrance, but thats why these teams have scouts..)

Full disclosure; I'm apt to have a hit the ground running mentality.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah but your team also might draft a guy out of HS later than he we would have gone if he blew up his freshman year at college. Would the Jazz ever been able to draft CJ Miles in the 20's if he went to Texas?
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Pretty sure that was the thought process behind the Raptors taking Tracy McGrady.. "We're not gonna have a chance at this guy next year"
 
Ultimately right now the Jazz are one of the big losers from this rule because of the way their roster and cap is structured, and because of all the picks they've got stockpiled..

The list of high risk high reward players to take fliers on would undeniably be much deeper, especially if HS players were allowed to test the waters like the new draft rules have..

The rule limits variety, it's a fact that there aren't all types of players in every draft. Teams should be able to locate projects they wish to develop and draft them early IMO. There's so much $$$ involved those bets are seemingly trivial in cost but the ramifications are potentially awesome..

U could argue playoff teams could take potential lottery talents off the board a year early and it hurts the re-builders... but look at the distribution of power in the NBA as is.. You have less than a handful of true contenders..
 
D Lindsey himself said that he'd argue the older players(i'm guessing he's talking 22-24yo's) are actually higher risk because if they don't produce right away you've got a dud..
 
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